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suited_ace 12-02-2005 08:49 PM

Good or bad?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t1220)
CO (t800)
Button (t1585)
SB (t655)
Hero (t990)
UTG (t1905)
MP1 (t845)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t125</font>, Hero calls t125, MP1 folds.

Turn: (t400) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t815 (All-In)</font>.

splashpot 12-02-2005 08:52 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
I'd go raise it up on the flop.

tigerite 12-02-2005 08:57 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
Indeed raise the flop, find out where you are and check he hasn't flopped some ludicrous two pair.

tipperdog 12-02-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
I'd have put in a nice raise PF and tried to take it down there (to T200 or so).

Post flop, I like quite a lot and probably don't do this enough myself. You're likely ahead against an opponent with 3-5 outs. It's certainly possible that you're behind (to a set or 2-pair), but can you get away from TP/GK at ths blind level if you raise to 350 or so (the alternate line)? I could not.

If you raise the flop, he may fold a worse hand (a middle pair or worse ace). But if you call, you invite him to bet again. The turn card is mildly dangerous, so you decide to drop the hammer there. I imagine you were thinking something like this?

tigerite 12-02-2005 09:00 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
Raising PF is bad in my opinion, you'll be OOP on the flop.

tshort 12-02-2005 09:05 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t1220)
CO (t800)
Button (t1585)
SB (t655)
Hero (t990)
UTG (t1905)
MP1 (t845)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t125</font>, Hero calls t125, MP1 folds.

Turn: (t400) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t815 (All-In)</font>.

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I agree with Tigerite and Splashpot. Raise the flop. Don't raise out of position pre-flop.

Buy-in is $11, $22, $33?

And what did he have A2, or did he flop the 2-pair/set?

bluefeet 12-02-2005 09:07 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
[ QUOTE ]
And what did he have A2, or did he flop the 2-pair/set?

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OP - don't answer that yet please. this is a fairly interesting hand. i'd like to see some more replies.

golfcchs 12-02-2005 09:11 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
I think this is a ok line. I would prefer this line though if it was not the sb betting. With the sb the chances of 2 pair greatly increase, so given that I would prefer to reraise on the flop to make sb define his hand.

bluefeet 12-02-2005 09:15 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think this is a ok line. I would prefer this line though if it was not the sb betting. With the sb the chances of 2 pair greatly increase, so given that I would prefer to reraise on the flop to make sb define his hand.

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2-pair shouldn't be leading this strong (or at all) having flopped 2-pair/set - ESPECIALLY with the Ace and an EP limper in the hand.

suited_ace 12-02-2005 09:18 PM

Re: Good or bad?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Buy-in is $11, $22, $33?

And what did he have A2, or did he flop the 2-pair/set?

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This is a $11, and if you're looking at the hand assuming that I posted because I lost, think again.


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