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morberg 03-10-2005 04:06 PM

When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (5 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Should I continue betting out on the turn, or is checking fine to see the river for free? Since the pot is small I was planning on folding to a bet on the turn or river. Correct?

Isura 03-10-2005 04:24 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
Any reads? If I think the opponents are tight and they called with a marginal made hand, somelike like K6,A4 hoping to improve, then I bet the turn again hoping to take it down. If they are loose/passives I check behind. If I'm called I'm looking to fold UI on the end to a bet.

gvibes 03-10-2005 04:29 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
My general rule of thumb is that I never fire the second bullet (turn) if it's still 3-way. I play the hand the same.

Isura 03-10-2005 04:32 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
This is way too simple and bad advice. There are so many things to consider such as your opponents, position, the board, etc etc. These kinds of simple rules will do nothing to improve your game.

davelin 03-10-2005 04:36 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
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This is way too simple and bad advice. There are so many things to consider such as your opponents, position, the board, etc etc. These kinds of simple rules will do nothing to improve your game.

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He was just saying it's a default line, which is my default line here as well.

morberg 03-10-2005 04:37 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
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Any reads?

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No reads, sorry.

aron 03-10-2005 04:41 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
I think I would fire another bullet on this one. No one is showing strenghth. It was raised PF and there are no big cards out there so it's fairly likely that people still have nothing.
I'd give it a try and fold if I was check-raised.

-aron

Isura 03-10-2005 05:26 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
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This is way too simple and bad advice. There are so many things to consider such as your opponents, position, the board, etc etc. These kinds of simple rules will do nothing to improve your game.

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He was just saying it's a default line, which is my default line here as well.

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Fair enough. I interpreted it as he meant that he always checks overcards with 3-handed no matter the situation. I hope you agree that this cannot be a default line in any situation (eg AK is a pretty easy bet here).

GrunchCan 03-10-2005 05:30 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
I see nothing wrong with this hand in this situation.

davelin 03-10-2005 05:35 PM

Re: When to stop pushing with overcards that misses flop?
 
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This is way too simple and bad advice. There are so many things to consider such as your opponents, position, the board, etc etc. These kinds of simple rules will do nothing to improve your game.

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He was just saying it's a default line, which is my default line here as well.

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Fair enough. I interpreted it as he meant that he always checks overcards with 3-handed no matter the situation. I hope you agree that this cannot be a default line in any situation (eg AK is a pretty easy bet here).

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I agree, every situation is different. Unimproved overcards against multiple players here is always difficult. Honestly, I'm not sure why AK is a easy bet here when we seem to agree that checking AJo is okay here as well.


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