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Felix_Nietsche 11-15-2005 04:07 PM

American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 

11-15-2005 04:13 PM

Re: American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 
WRONG FORUM YOU FUKCING NUB!!

Colonel Kataffy 11-15-2005 04:15 PM

Re: American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 
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WRONG FORUM YOU FUKCING NUB!!

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simmer down now

Felix_Nietsche 11-15-2005 04:16 PM

Damn Software !!
 
Damn bug in the software won't let me correct the title to FOOTBALL. Says I have not completed all the fields. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

pokerdirty 11-15-2005 04:16 PM

Re: American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 
you rarely go for 2 outside the 4th quarter

Felix_Nietsche 11-15-2005 04:17 PM

Re: American Football: When to Go for Two
 
I never knew there was a sports forum.
There are too many forums in my opinion.

Soul Daddy 11-15-2005 04:20 PM

Re: American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 
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you rarely go for 2 outside the 4th quarter

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I concur. But don't most coaches blindly follow their precious chart?

JordanIB 11-15-2005 04:28 PM

Re: American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 
Didn't need to read past "It is the 1st quarter" and "It is the 3rd quarter" to vote no on the first 2.

3rd one is close, I gave the slight edge to yes. People might say but if you miss and they kick a field goal you're down my 8 and need 2 points, but I don't like the chances that you'd gonna hold a team that's put up 41 on you and is driving to a field goal.

I could see an argument against going for 2 based on the fact that there's 13 minutes left and you're in a shootout, so who cares about a 3 vs. 4. vs. 5 point deficit.

Felix_Nietsche 11-15-2005 04:41 PM

No, No, and No.
 
Going for two is -EV. There is a 34% chance of success. To go for two to make sense, you have to ASSUME the other team won't score anymore points. In the 3rd question, there is 13 minutes left in the game which is a LOT OF TIME. Since the score is 41-36, you can't think your defense which has already allowed 41 points will shut the other team out the rest of the way.

Consider these scenarios:
Scenario #1 (successful two point conversion)
41-38 then
44-38 (now a touchdown + a kick will put you in the lead)

Scenario #2 (2 point try fails)
41-36
44-36 (now you need a touchdown + 2 point play just to tie)

Scenario #3 (1 point try, sucess)
41-37
44-37 (A touchdown + Kick will tie.)

Going for something with a 34% success rate is not good.

Felix_Nietsche 11-15-2005 04:48 PM

Re: American Fottball: When to Go for Two
 
you rarely go for 2 outside the 4th quarter
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Agreed.
What % of coaches do you think understand this? I say maybe 10%.


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