Curtains Hand #2 12.30
 

#Game No : 3284174818
***** Hand History for Game 3284174818 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:18726082 Level:4
Blinds(50/100) - Friday, December 30, 01:38:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 67430 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Rolex11 ( $2130 )
Seat 2: mosesiswet ( $2505 )
Seat 3: Gamboholic_ ( $830 )
Seat 5: FASTMONEYKID ( $1005 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $2311 )
Seat 9: elsaad ( $1219 )
Trny:18726082 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ Qh Qc ]
Rolex11 folds.
mosesiswet folds.
>You have options at Table 67358 Table!.
Gamboholic_ folds.
FASTMONEYKID folds.
>You have options at Table 71132 Table!.
ILuvCurtains raises [250].
elsaad calls [200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Jc, Ac ]
ILuvCurtains checks.
>You have options at Table 67358 Table!.
elsaad bets [300].
>You have options at Table 67358 Table!.
ILuvCurtains ...

Villain has done nothing unusual. Hero has, per the standard acquired his chips with good play and has only shown down premium hands. Villain has committed half of his stack at this point.

Re: Curtains Hand #2 12.30
 

I'd have bet around 300 into that pot to see what Villain does. Now, I'd drop this. Villain called your preflop raise and probably has a decent ace. The chips you'll be betting from this point on are more valuable than the ones you stand to win.

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I'd want to know villain's aggression factor, but if it's not too high, I'm passing this.

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have to fold now i think. i might have taken a 200-250 chip stab first though.

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I don't think Hero should fold already.

1) Because many villains would probably have pushed an Ace preflop.
2) Because some villains might get clever and check behind with an Ace here on this drawless board.
3) After Hero's check it's a steal attempt is likely.
4) Wouldn't a J play the same way?

I think calling the flop bet is good. Depending on image and reads I might not fold this at any point except if a king comes.

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I don't think Hero should fold already.

1) Because many villains would probably have pushed an Ace preflop.
2) Because some villains might get clever and check behind with an Ace here on this drawless board.
3) After Hero's check it's a steal attempt is likely.
4) Wouldn't a J play the same way?

I think calling the flop bet is good. Depending on image and reads I might not fold this at any point except if a king comes.

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I hadn't responded 'cuz I was stuck thiniking about yoru exact points... what hand gives villain a jack but not an ace? loose call pre-flop....

Folding seems so weak-tight - though I've done it.
Calling seems such chip-spewing...though I've done it

I probably hate folding, but hit the button anyways...

tough one. If I have a read, I might call and hope for a jackless, kingless turn.

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This is tough. If he thinks villian is a good player, he wouldn't call off 250 with an A. He would either fold or reraise. So if he thinks he doesnt have the A, then checking to induce a bluff is a nice move. Villian probably has a pair so with only 2 outs a free card probably wont hurt if he takes it. Checking may incuce a turn call as well. I think at the lower limits where it is likely they will call off that many chips with Ax, betting out may be better to find out where you are at right away.

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You may thnik Im crazy but I make a lot of reads based on handles and chip stacks...this works for me because Im playing so many at once, and based on his handle, I would suspect he's not a great player.

The best players are the ones with two words in their handles with each word capitalized. Other good players are the ones who go out of their way to make their handle stupid/juvinile. For instance if a handle is IMASTUPIDIDIOT, they are probably at least a reasonable player. Of course none of this is fullproof, but it works pretty well when multitabling, and I find that my generalizations are usually reasonably well founded.

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So based on your read of his handle he's not a great player. He does have a weird chip stack to call off $250 though. I am not sure what to make of that. I really dont like check folding here so I am assuming you put him all in. I'm just searching for the reasoning... I'm interested because I usually lead out here.

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You may thnik Im crazy but I make a lot of reads based on handles and chip stacks...this works for me because Im playing so many at once, and based on his handle, I would suspect he's not a great player.

The best players are the ones with two words in their handles with each word capitalized. Other good players are the ones who go out of their way to make their handle stupid/juvinile. For instance if a handle is IMASTUPIDIDIOT, they are probably at least a reasonable player. Of course none of this is fullproof, but it works pretty well when multitabling, and I find that my generalizations are usually reasonably well founded.

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You are crazy. In the hand I played like an idiot where there was a fellow player who pushed into a big stack on a dry sidepot with no hand or draw, the player's handle was "iamsobadtoo" and I took that into consideration thinking that it would mean he wasn't so bad.

(So bad, if you are reading this, my apologies, but it was a really bad play. Maybe you were just drunk or something.)

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That was a bad fold. That's usually when I go on tilt and go out of my way to bust his ass in 4th. Yeah, i'm not sold on the handle read..

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You may thnik Im crazy but I make a lot of reads based on handles and chip stacks...this works for me because Im playing so many at once, and based on his handle, I would suspect he's not a great player.

The best players are the ones with two words in their handles with each word capitalized. Other good players are the ones who go out of their way to make their handle stupid/juvinile. For instance if a handle is IMASTUPIDIDIOT, they are probably at least a reasonable player. Of course none of this is fullproof, but it works pretty well when multitabling, and I find that my generalizations are usually reasonably well founded.

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You are crazy. In the hand I played like an idiot where there was a fellow player who pushed into a big stack on a dry sidepot with no hand or draw, the player's handle was "iamsobadtoo" and I took that into consideration thinking that it would mean he wasn't so bad.

(So bad, if you are reading this, my apologies, but it was a really bad play. Maybe you were just drunk or something.)

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His handle wasnt capitalized..BIG DIFFERENCE! Anyway once they open limp on the button you cancel all name based reads.

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Ok, I wasn't gonna mention this one, but there's a player at the table in this hand with all caps that has made some pretty questionable plays, but maybe he just donks it up for fun in the $109s and also his name isn't self-deprecating so it probably has to be both allcaps and self-deprecating. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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His handle wasnt capitalized..BIG DIFFERENCE! Anyway once they open limp on the button you cancel all name based reads.

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I've read this "judging a book by its cover" idea of yours several times now, and it makes me laugh, but then I think you might have a point. It's all information to consider, after all - I notice when I play 109s, the names are much "scarier" than the 55s. They are all like "pwn_u_batch" and "eat_ur_face_4_lunch_please_die" - so I guess HOTDUDE69 would indeed seem less threatening.

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So did you choose you're handle so people would think you were a lonely housewife blowing you're husbands money or a gay interior decorator or something?

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And shouldn't the handle be ILuvDrapes? And what happened to
Drapes and Jenium? Do we even have any girls around here anymore?

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Another name-based read I've found to be true: people with "fish" in their name almost always are. Maybe they were called "fish" so many times they adopted the nickname. Maybe they think they're great and make excessively fancy, ill-advised bluffs.

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And shouldn't the handle be ILuvDrapes? And what happened to
Drapes and Jenium? Do we even have any girls around here anymore?

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I told Jenn that for training purposes she should logon to 2+2 and answer 10 hand posts per day. Im giving her a week long intensive training course in a few weeks to get her playing the 109s and eventually the 215s.

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So what did curtains do and what did villain have (if we found out)?

As an aside: it seems like some of these curtains threads meander off and die before we find out what curtains did. I understand that stuff like - what card came on the turn - is completely irrelevant. But knowing what curtains did and whether our reads on villian were correct are very relevant IMO.

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I check raised allin, my opponent folded. When the threads die too quickly I sometimes forget to go search back 3 pages to say what I did.

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Well then I'll just bump em up for you. Thx.

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Well then I'll just bump em up for you. Thx.

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yes please feel free to do so. I hate when the really interesting ones die.

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So any speculation on what villain might have flat called your raise with - 77? JTs?

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No idea, I don't know how their minds work sometimes.

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Would you have called if he had pushed? I would normally bet the flop anyway since the A is scary to him too, but I can see checking with the intention of raising/calling anything to get some extra value.

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I probably would call if he pushed yea....Once I raise to 300 there and the pot is 600, its very unlikely Im folding postflop when my opponent has only 900 behind.

Betting the flop might be superior, as the pot is big and allowing a miracle card is disastrous. For instance fi I had 600 and the pot was 900, Id move allin every time. I felt that in this case it was reasonable to check though.