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ReDeYES88 07-18-2005 09:47 PM

maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
30+3, no big reads
I'm curious how different people might play this hand.

Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: (890)
Hero: (1305)
Seat 4: (1085)
Seat 5: (390)
Seat 7: 705)
Seat 8: (1055)
Seat 9: (1715)
Seat 10: (855)
Hero posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh, As ]
Seat 4 folds.
Seat 5 folds.
Seat 7 folds.
Seat 8 folds.
Seat 9 folds.
Seat 10 (Btn) raises (95) to 95
Seat 1 (SB) calls (95)

lastchance 07-18-2005 09:59 PM

Re: maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
Not having position sucks here.

MegaBet 07-18-2005 10:02 PM

Re: maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
At such an early level, just call and see what the flop brings. In later levels I'd squeeze-play this hand.

morgan180 07-18-2005 10:03 PM

Re: maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
i like a call here, but i don't know why - seems like a 'dark tunnel' bet for me.

you could push but for 125 chips early on?

adanthar 07-18-2005 10:05 PM

Re: maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
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i like a call here, but i don't know why - seems like a 'dark tunnel' bet for me.

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Why?

A call is standard here (though you could push, but that is risky) and you will have effective position on almost any flop the SB doesn't love, because you will check dark.

ReDeYES88 07-19-2005 12:00 AM

Re: maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
[ QUOTE ]
Not having position sucks here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't agree in this particular instance.. . .I'm inclined to take adanthar's line:

[ QUOTE ]
A call is standard here . . . you will have effective position on almost any flop the SB doesn't love, because you will check dark.

[/ QUOTE ]

I actually fully intended to call this hand, but was in the BB at two separate tables at exactly the same time, brain cramped up, and I mucked my cards at the wrong table.. .got me thinking about if that was a bad thing or not.

My stack, the blind size, and this particular situation just begs for a flat call. It is expected that both the SB and BB will check around to the button, who will proceed to make a C bet just to have the blinds fold. A "typical" button raises to t60 or t75 preflop with a monster wanting a call . ..the t95 bet looks more like a slight overbet on a weak steal.

I think that the flop will pretty much play itself after a call. I would shade both the button and the SB towards the mid Ace, two face, low- to mid- pair range, (with maybe a suited-conny) and the action on the flop should pretty much define both hands. The only really horrible situation is that I hit top pair, but have one of the villans hit either t&b pair or a set.

I call with ~3.6:1 pot odds with the intent of hitting my hand (top pair or better) or check/folding. The odds are only good for the flop, because my hand won't produce a draw worth chasing unless it's a three-flush to my Ace. The betting impetus is completely in the lap of the button, and I have the freedom to play the hand in several different ways if I do catch a good piece.

Why do you call with those odds? The postflop action.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Kc, Qc ]
Seat 10 (Btn) bets (175)
Seat 1 (SB) folds.

Action to you. What's your play? (assuming you clicked the right button and called preflop)

lastchance 07-19-2005 12:19 AM

Re: maybe a stupid question, but I\'m curious
 
But if Villain checks as well, meh... Still, you're right.

On the flop Redeyes suggested, the board is KQQ, which had to have hit Villain, and I doubt Villains folds to the check-raise unless he's not paying you off anyway, so I check-raise here, probably all-in with t500 in the pot already and Villain only having t500 behind.


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