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xCEO 12-29-2005 01:08 PM

5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
Villain is a TAG

3handed Abs 5/10

Hero opens on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB 3bets

flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB bets, hero calls

turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB bets, hero raises, BB 3bets, hero folds


This is not my standard line, I often just fold the turn.

SomethingClever 12-29-2005 01:35 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
Seems fine to me. Sometimes I just call down, too, depending on how the villain's been playing.

Redeye 12-29-2005 01:46 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
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Seems fine to me. Sometimes I just call down, too, depending on how the villain's been playing.

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Why would you call this down? What you you think you are beating from a TAG 3-betting from the BB?

SomethingClever 12-29-2005 01:58 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
I'm a TAG. If I'm in the BB in a 3 handed game and the Button raises, I'm 3-betting a metric [censored]-ton of hands.

So, you're beating decent range of his holdings. But, like I said, it depends on how the TAG has been playing/running. You can't let yourself get pushed around 3-handed... you need to call down with A-high somewhat frequently.

xCEO 12-29-2005 02:12 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
More in general, what are good flops to make this play? Or against what oponents? Like here, when a "scare" card hits?

SomethingClever 12-29-2005 02:33 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
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More in general, what are good flops to make this play? Or against what oponents? Like here, when a "scare" card hits?

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Well, I think that's a pretty good board for the play you used. You have some good fold equity, I would think. And it's easy to fold to a 3bet.

12-29-2005 02:52 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
Hi xCeo-

How often do you think you are ahead here on the flop? How often do you think you have even six outs if you're behind?

Absent of any read, I think the BB's 3-bet PF means two broadway cards, a decent king, most aces and probably all pocket pairs. On the flop, you're ahead of KJ-KT, QJ, QT, JT and A4, A5 and A7. Everything else has you drawing at 1 to 6 outs. So if you peel, I think you need to be calling down to showdown. Otherwise this flop needs to be raised or folded.

As played, the only point of raising this turn is if you put him on something like AT. He's obviously not folding a pocket pair of any sort on this board (would you?) And I think he's rarely folding anything that you want him to.

xCEO 12-29-2005 06:54 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
You make good points Happydayz. When I reread my hand I think that my fold equity is not big enough to make this play on this board against a TAG.

Some alternatives:
- raise flop, call 3bet, fold turn UI (3sb)
- raise flop, bet turn and fold to a c/r (4sb)
- raise flop, take a free card and call river UI (4sb)

- call flop,turn and river (5sb)
- call flop, fold turn (1sb)

I think raising the flop is good, because it gives you some options which are cheaper than my line.

SomethingClever 12-29-2005 07:04 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
Just to clarify, when I talked about calling down earlier, I meant without raising the turn.

I clearly don't call down after raising the turn and getting 3bet.

xCEO 12-29-2005 07:05 PM

Re: 5/10 3handed: spewing?
 
Ofcourse, I understand. What do you think of raising the flop? And take one of the lines in my post?


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