Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

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Have you seen the state of the 1/2 NL games in this town lately? Any given day of the week you may and probably will have $15 average pots with half the players all waiting for aces and kings before they'll play

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I totally agree, $1-$2 blinds sucks. I much prefer a $3 big blind for the small no limit. I would suggest a $2 small blind as well. I have "heard" of a couple casinos doing this, but I haven't ever confirmed it. I think all of vegas should switch to 2-3 blinds with $100-$200 or $100-$300 (for capped buy-in games). Whether they use $3 chips like the wynn is debatable, although personally I like the wynn game. Even if they used $1 and $5 chips tho, the starting pot would be bigger, and would generate more action for sure. There is NO doubt that $2-$5 no limit is a more action game, but I haven't seen any evidence yet that $1-$3 (or better yet $2-$3) no limit is in any way generating LESS action than 1-2.

al

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

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Hawaiian Gardens had thirteen $20 fixed buy (1-1 blinds) and seven $40 fixed buy (1-2 blinds) in the bar area and it's mostly kids under 25. And this is with about three to five buy-ins per hour coming off the table in drops! The floorperson said the kids actually do what they are told when she has to make a decision. I guess the new generation listens to adults

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Yeah, but with such a supply of ignorant punk-ass bitches, don't you just still kinda want to go on a major nut-kicking spree? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

al

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

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As long as 2-4, 3-6, 4-8 and especially any of these games with a kill or half kill are spread, 6-12 will NOT go and you'll be lucky to get a 5-10.

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The best progression for games (assuming you do not have $2 and $3 chips) is 3-6 6-12 10-20 (maybe a single table of 1-2 as an introductory game).

If you have $2 and $3 chips I would do 3-6 6-12 and 9-18.

I think spreading $4-$8 is a serious mistake as it seems to consume the limits around it. No 6-12 which means the players can never advance becasue you can't spread a game with just a little gap. $3-$6 to $6-$12 is about the right jump as they are far enough apart that they can both exist and clsoe enough together that the jump isn't too far.

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

Thanks for letting us know about this game - a bunch of us will be in town in early December, and will check it out. Like many in this thread I have but doubts about long term, but am quite pleased Aladdin is giving it a shot.

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

The only problem with Vegas is this....NO ONE wants to play higher than 3/6 and 4/8 that are on vacation. A "few" players will go try a 10/20 game now and then, but that is about it. Lots of these people that are coming to Vegas (lots for the first time) and just trying out poker live for the first time or hardly have played it at all.

MGM has tried spreading 6/12 and 10/20. The games just dont go anymore and thats the biggest casino in the state with over 5000 rooms. There is only one casino that can even get these games off the ground regularly and thats the Mirage. Does anyone think that if the casinos had the ability to run these games more often based on demand that they would? MGM is even now running more 3/6 than 4/8 games. That kinda says something. It's all 1/2nl, 2/4, and 3/6 that 95% of the tourists want to play. At least 5/10 isn't that "high stakes" of a game that some of them are willing to try it. For some reason that 6/12 is one of the least appealing games in town for people to play. Even though everyone "loves" this game, it's dead. No one plays it except for 1 table at the Mirage.

I give the Aladdin credit for trying something that no one else is trying with the 5/10. It may not be the loosey goosey chip spewing game that 2/4 is, but man, dont shoot down the game before they even get a chance to get it going normally. At least they are willing to give a try and cater to some of the locals looking to move up a little bit and to some of the tourists that are sick of 2/4 and 3/6.

btw, this thread has been majorly hijacked with all the California NL discussion, LOL. Start yer own damn thread [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

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MGM has tried spreading 6/12 and 10/20. The games just dont go anymore and thats the biggest casino in the state with over 5000 rooms. There is only one casino that can even get these games off the ground regularly and thats the Mirage. Does anyone think that if the casinos had the ability to run these games more often based on demand that they would? MGM is even now running more 3/6 than 4/8 games.

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A couple of notes. People on vacation will play whatever game is going. In the old days the MGM had a regular 10-20. Then someone with a high credit line in the pit got check raised by an off duty delaer so the MGM put an end to delaers playing so they had trouble gettign the game started.

There is no incentive for a room to spread higher limits unless it is part of an overall marketing plan with the casino. Larger games break plalyers faster and do not bring in more rake (sometimes they bring in less rake). There is no reason for the MGM to spread 10-20 unless they want to make an effort to have a regular 10-20. Even in the old days when the 10-20 would get started it would go really well and often get more 10-20 started. It is the local nits that want to paly against the hotel guests that get the small games started so that is what is going when the hotel guest comes in to play. The most important thing to someone on vacation is that they don't want to wait to play poker, but to say that they prefer 3-6 and 4-8 to 10-20 is ver misguided.

Re: one more thing about 5-10 structure
 

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15-30 structures basically only existed for stud games ($2 ante, $5 bring-in).


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this is dead wrong I lived in Ventnor and played B&M for a living almost everyday for a couple years way back in 1995/96 the Taj almost always had at least one $10-20 and one $15-30 going. $15-30 in AC and on the road was my main game the last year and a half of B&M poker.

First game I ever tried to start playing for a living at fulltime was the Taj $5-10 LHE -the game was good back then usually with a couple games/+ going at peak times. Peak times there were always multiple 10-20's and 15-30's going. At really slowtimes the 15 would merge into a 10 or vice versa late nite/early am. This was a long time ago thu I havent played in AC in 7 years.

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

lets see here----
3/6(new players heading into the game)
5/10 10/20 15/30 20/40 30/60 40/80

I may be slow and not worth much but hey I FOUND SOMETHING HERE-- can anyone else see what I see-------

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

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can anyone else see what I see------

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Well, lets see...you count goot from left to right. How's that? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?
 

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Horrible choice for a limit. There is a reason why 5/10 isn't spread commonly in Vegas or LA... no action.

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You're probably right TT; I'm sure there is a reason the game isn't spready anywhere else in Vegas. But, I do know that the game is spread successfully in card rooms outside of Vegas.

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Actually, its not spread successfully. The floor at the Taj and I discussed this not long ago during ATLARGE (the only room in AC that spreads 5/10, its a limit the room management wishes to remove because the players are requesting 4/8 and don't want to play 5/10 for the most part. But upper level management won't let them change because it "differentiates the room" and the players stay in the game a long time (which continuously generates a steady rake).

Also keep in mind in many ways until recently the Taj was the only game in town, you can wait for hours at the Borg for a low limit game, or go to the Trop (which until the recent makeover many player refused to do, for some odd reason the locals believed the room is full of cheats). So the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" policy applies.

Again, let me reiterate that the 5/10 game will die a horrible death if the Aladdin is also spreading similar limits (6/12 or 4/8), the room is better off spreading 3/6/and 6/12. And YES... 6/12 will get tons of action if 4/8 isn't available. If you don't believe me, ask Mason what he thinks. I'm willing to believe he will agree.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]