\"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

So in between bleeding money, I manage to get a straight flush, the only problem is a good player at the table (who is also a very cool guy) responds by saying "yuck" which made me wonder if I played this incorrectly. (especially 5th & 6th streets)

Your thoughts?

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7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (hand converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.50 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds

5th Street - (3.25 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (5.25 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks

River - (5.25 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises

Total pot: (9.25 BB)

Results:
Main Pot: $35.50 | Rake: $1.50
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Seat 1: [ 3c 6c 5d Tc Th 2d 5h ] [ two pairs, tens and fives -- Tc,Th,6c,5d,5h ]

Hero: [ 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h Td ] [ a straight flush, ten high -- Td,9d,8d,7d,6d ]</font>

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

fold 3rd and certainly dont complete, your hand is pretty dead. The rest seems ok

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

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fold 3rd and certainly dont complete, your hand is pretty dead. The rest seems ok

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Agreed. You don't want to play middle straightening cards that are either dead or the straight is dead. Every up card helps you except that 2. So, fold. Otherwise, well played after that.

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

This hand can easily win enough different ways that the dead cards don't bother me too much. I think folding 3rd would be a big mistake. I like just limping though, partially because things are sorta dead and partially because you would like a multiway pot.

The rest of it is fine.

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

Like Bart said, limping would better, mainly because your hand just isn’t all that strong given the dead cards. The multi-way aspect wouldn’t bother me too much - they usually don’t care if it’s a full bet or not.
I also agree that folding would be a mistake. I routinely play 3-flushes with two of my suit out at 2/4, simply because they almost never raise so you get it cheap and because when you hit on 4th you’re in a real nice spot because it’s usually multi-way. I’d limp with this hand at 5/10 also without a second thought.
The rest is just fine.

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

I think 3rd is an easy call. Anyone think of raising fifth, or are there too many dead outs?

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

Third is a call. Raising would ordinarily be an acceptable play, but here you have a bunch of dead cards. Still, if all you had were the flush possibility, having two diamonds out wouldn't be the end of the world, and I wouldn't apologize for backing into a straight with this hand.

Apart from third, you played this about the only way you could. You can't really think about folding at any point, and your hand is too dead to really push, either.

Perhaps you think you should win more with a straight flush? Play video poker or go to a casino with a high-hand-of-the-hour bonus. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

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fold 3rd and certainly dont complete, your hand is pretty dead. The rest seems ok

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Agreed. You don't want to play middle straightening cards that are either dead or the straight is dead.

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as dead as this hand is, it's still a monster. I'd be looking to get as much in on third as possibble, but i wouldn't complete- not because the hand is weak or dead, but because it really wants a big 'ol multiway pot to get maximum value and to get the odds to go for the draws that'll develop with it. No matter how dead a three-to-a-SF is, i'm at least looking at fifth.

imo

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

sims:

dead ts 2c 9h 4d 6s

Seat 1: [ 3c 6c 5d Tc Th 2d 5h ] [ two pairs, tens and fives -- Tc,Th,6c,5d,5h ]

Hero: [ 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h Td ] [ a straight flush, ten high -- Td,9d,8d,7d,6d ]

seat 7: [Ad Kd 5c 6h] &lt;&lt;&lt; giving 7 a hand that is pretty bad for you

3rd street (1sb)


pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d - 8d 7d 9d - ad kd 5c / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6c 3c 5d 131742 26.35 368133 73.63 125 0.03 0.264
9d 8d 7d 214579 42.92 285304 57.06 117 0.02 0.429 &lt;&lt;&lt;
5c Ad Kd 153534 30.71 346418 69.28 48 0.01 0.307

since your ev &gt; 33.3% no problems betting/raising here.

4th street (4.5sb)
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc - 8d 7d 9d 8s - ad kd 5c 6h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 6c 3c 5d 131905 26.38 368028 73.61 67 0.01 0.264
8s 9d 8d 7d 276965 55.39 223020 44.60 15 0.00 0.554 &lt;&lt;&lt;
5c Ad Kd 6h 91049 18.21 408871 81.77 80 0.02 0.182

still no problem betting/raising

5th street (3.25bb)
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 6c 3c 5d Th 212807 42.56 287193 57.44 0 0.00 0.426
8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 287193 57.44 212807 42.56 0 0.00 0.574 &lt;&lt;&lt;

still ahead

6th street (5.25bb)
pokenum -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th 2d - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h
7-card Stud Hi: 930 enumerated outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 6c 3c 5d 2d Th 554 59.57 376 40.43 0 0.00 0.596
8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 4h 376 40.43 554 59.57 0 0.00 0.404

prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB
after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet

check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet.

Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
 

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prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB
after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet

check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet.

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Cheers for the stats Garlington, just a Q.

You say the equity decreases with each bet, but that's only on the river right? It doesn't % increase each street slightly? (sorry - bad with numbers)

Cheers,
SDM