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Baloosh 07-01-2005 04:40 PM

River = chip-spewing?
 
Table was typically LP. That's about it for reads. All comments appreciated.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Sinnister 07-01-2005 04:42 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
By calling with this preflop in mp3 yes you are chip spweing.

Next question?

davelin 07-01-2005 04:51 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
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By calling with this preflop in mp3 yes you are chip spweing.

Next question?

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This limp is fine.

Baloosh 07-01-2005 05:05 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
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By calling with this preflop in mp3 yes you are chip spweing.

Next question?

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With a poster and 2 callers already in, and a read on the table as typically LP... you think this is a -EV call?

davelin 07-01-2005 05:07 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
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By calling with this preflop in mp3 yes you are chip spweing.

Next question?

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With a poster and 2 callers already in, and a read on the table as typically LP... you think this is a -EV call?

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Don't pay attention to him

magates 07-01-2005 05:07 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
I would fold this PF, but my opinion is based more on SSH and ITH than personal experience.

I'm more curious about the raise on the flop: bottom pair/weak kicker with few clean outs. If a raise here is correct could someone please explain?

davelin 07-01-2005 05:11 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
Yeah, I hate the flop raise.

Baloosh 07-01-2005 05:19 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
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I would fold this PF, but my opinion is based more on SSH and ITH than personal experience.

I'm more curious about the raise on the flop: bottom pair/weak kicker with few clean outs. If a raise here is correct could someone please explain?

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I had my total outs counted as 5... any 5 I have discounted at 2 outs, the remaining 6s as 1.5 outs, and 1.5 out for my BD flush draw. When it got to me, it was ~17:1 to call, so even a raise in that spot is (marginally neutral EV). Couldn't this be seen as the same thing as raising pre-flop with JTs, with the multi-way nature of this hand?

davelin 07-01-2005 05:20 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
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I would fold this PF, but my opinion is based more on SSH and ITH than personal experience.

I'm more curious about the raise on the flop: bottom pair/weak kicker with few clean outs. If a raise here is correct could someone please explain?

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I had my total outs counted as 5... any 5 I have discounted at 2 outs, the remaining 6s as 1.5 outs, and 1.5 out for my BD flush draw. When it got to me, it was ~17:1 to call, so even a raise in that spot is (marginally neutral EV). Couldn't this be seen as the same thing as raising pre-flop with JTs, with the multi-way nature of this hand?

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Your equity isn't high enough to raise here.

Baloosh 07-01-2005 05:24 PM

Re: River = chip-spewing?
 
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Your equity isn't high enough to raise here.

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Oh yeah... I also forgot about the gutshot to the ass-end of the straight. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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