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ResidentParanoid 09-16-2004 09:40 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
TAG player that cold-calls 2 pre-flop and 3-bets the flop? And then raises again on the turn? Screams big pair to me (although I'm not sure why he cold-called pre-flop, maybe a variation?). I'm done with this hand. I don't think he's on a flush draw since he'd be really cutting down the field with that flop 3-bet.

hockey1 09-16-2004 09:48 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
I agree with the others that he most likely holds AcJc or KcQc.

That said, can you please explain to me what you're hoping to accomplish with the flop cap? Anyone else think that a better line is to call the three-bet and bet out on the turn if anything other than an ace a four or a club falls?

stoxtrader 09-16-2004 09:50 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
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AJ or AQ of clubs are good possibilities. 44 or 55 are also fairly likely

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well put choppy.

I think AJ and KQ clubs is certainly possible, but I think 44, 55, 33, and 22 are also very valid holdings. I would overcall a raise even with 22 in his spot I think pre-flop. poor play?

ResidentParanoid 09-16-2004 10:20 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 

Forget the TAG description if he's calling 2 cold with small pairs.

CanKid 09-16-2004 10:42 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
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That said, can you please explain to me what you're hoping to accomplish with the flop cap? Anyone else think that a better line is to call the three-bet and bet out on the turn if anything other than an ace a four or a club falls?

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If he puts him on overcards/clubs then he's jamming it with the best hand, forcing a draw to pay maximum value.

stoxtrader 09-16-2004 10:50 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
why?

I consider myself TAG and i think calling 2 hear with 22 isnt a terrible play, but wnat to know if it is so I can stop doing it.

mmcd 09-16-2004 11:17 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
I agree with the others that he most likely holds AcJc or KcQc

If he cold calls a good early player's open raise with either of these hands, he's not a TAG, he's just another Party clown.

stoxtrader 09-16-2004 11:36 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
ed miller advocates cold-calling with these hands, unless i mis-interpret which is entirely possible, why is that a bad play?

OrangeHeat 09-16-2004 11:37 AM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
If you label players based on one hand then you are mislabeling alot of players. Ever hear of mixing it up?

Orange

Senor Choppy 09-16-2004 12:03 PM

Re: 15/30 TT against a TAG
 
My VP$IP is around 17-18% and I regularly cold call 2 in multiway pots with small pairs.


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