is this too weak with KK?
 

5 handed. just sat down so no reads.

Preflop:
I raise K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] utg, fold to the bb who calls.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, i bet, bb raises, i 3 bet, bb calls

Turn T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB bets, i call

River A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks, i check

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

Nope. Looks fine.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

I think you played this one perfectly.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

I bet the river when he checks to you. I would probably raise the turn if I was playing, but looking at it checking behiind with your K draw is probably better.

Why do we not bet the river when he checks?

True

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

I'd valuebet this river every time. It looks to me like villian has a Q & put you on the A high flush draw, but will probably make a crying call on the river.

jvs

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

i was so close to betting that river, but ive been check raised in spots like this so many times with AT, flopped flush etc.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

Really? What level is this? It's very rare I meet a player who'll bust out the sexy on me like this. I'll bet the river against an unknown.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

That's a strange check by villain on the river. The ace seemed to scare him which would lead me to think my KK may be good. He might think his two pair just got counterfeited by AQ/AT etc. A river bet may have some value here.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

its .5/1 on hollywood and i see all sorts of weird lines. As i type this, someone turned 2 pair, c/c'd and then c/rd the river

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

Does anyone else raise the turn for a free showdown? We've got lots of outs if behind, we're committed to showdown, and villain may not bet the river if a fourth heart comes. I'm looking for spots when the free showdown raise is correct, and I think an important condition is that villain may not bet the river when you hit your draw. That certainly seems to be the case here, although I could be biased by having seen the river check.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

I raise the turn. I think you're ahead the majority of the time and even if you aren't, you have a pretty solid draw to improve. I think if villain is beating you he would have either capped the flop and led, or check-raised the turn.

The way you played it, I bet the river. He's probably afraid of the Ace that hit and is afraid to bet his lower pair.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

I raise the turn. river is a close one for me since I"ve had people go after me before just like that with the naked ace. Usually the same type of people that will go after you with the lone ace there will checkraise that river. I mean that is just one possibility. Hand range is pretty large here. still I think you played it too weak

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

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Does anyone else raise the turn for a free showdown? We've got lots of outs if behind, we're committed to showdown, and villain may not bet the river if a fourth heart comes.

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I think it's close, but we really might get 3-bet here which would violate one of the other conditions we need to meet.

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

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Really? What level is this? It's very rare I meet a player who'll bust out the sexy on me like this. I'll bet the river against an unknown.

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Not betting the river is a mistake.

Krishan

Re: is this too weak with KK?
 

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5 handed. just sat down so no reads.

Preflop:
I raise K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] utg, fold to the bb who calls.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, i bet, bb raises, i 3 bet, bb calls

Turn T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB bets, i call

River A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks, i check

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I raise the turn, I see a lot of value in it. Most lone hearts, top pair, and straight draws call. I don't see why we should slow down. He could be donking to prevent a free card with his tp, or even with a flush draw himself. Pretty wide range on the turn for him.