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We needed a new thread, so here it is. The new forums will be:

It looks like we've settled on:

-Mid-High Shorthanded (MHSH)
-Small-Stakes Shorthanded (SSSH)"

-Micro Limits(ML)
-Small Stakes(SS)
-Mid Stakes(MS)
-Higher Stakes(HS)

Beats, Brags, and Variance
Forum Suggestions.

Who do we think should do what? I'm going to bed now. I'll post thoughts in the morning.

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I'd say Josh. would be a great 2nd moderator for MHUSH...I'd prefer to moderate MHUSH also because that will be my regular forum.

I think DMBFan23 is a good candidate for 2nd SSHUSH mod along with Mr Wookie. Our House is another good choice but IMHO DMBFan23 has been around longer and is a better choice - assuming he wants the position...I got the impression that he did but I'd have to send him a PM.

HUSHers have asked for a HUSH regular as a 2nd mod of SSHUSH and I know that guys like Krishanleong, Josh., Entity, et al. would probably want the position even though it's not their main forum if DMBFan23 didn't want the job etc.

Jason_t could be a candidate for the new mid-stakes forum, along with Josh. if he's passed over for either of the HUSHes. There are likely other good candidates that I can't think of at 3am though too.

We might be able to find mods for "Forum Suggestions" and the "BBV" forums from within the ranks of current mods, no? Otherwise i'd have to do some thinking but could probably come up with a few.

Surf

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DcifrThis should definitely be mod for higher stakes (unless he doesn't want to be, obviously, but I can't imagine why that would be). I am the other current mod for mid-high and won't really be participating in the "higher" forum anyway, so it seems natural that I would now be a mod for mid stakes. It would make sense to have a second mod for these forums. I don't know who would be appropriate for higher stakes. For mid stakes, I guess first shot should go to any current mods who may want it; for example, someone like Entity or Evan might want to move up there from small. If we are pulling in a new mod, I think TStoneMBD and jason_t are the obvious candidates.

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Didn't DMBFan23 get suspended for making a crazy rant-like post in OOT at one point? Plus he's also Ron Burgundy, I dunno about his strategy posts but if I have the right guy I'm not sure he's the best choice...

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DMBFan has made some amazingly childish posts in response to something as simple as getting a gimmic account banned. Doesn't strike me as a mod at all.

If nobody else wants it, I'll throw my name out there for the bad beats forum.

I'll co-sign a vote for Josh as a mod.

I'd also suggest sfter/The Daver if he's interested for mid-stakes.

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I'm pretty sure Dave isn't interested. I'd second a nomination for Josh as a mod of mid Hush or any other limit strategy forum.

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Didn't DMBFan23 get suspended for making a crazy rant-like post in OOT at one point? Plus he's also Ron Burgundy, I dunno about his strategy posts but if I have the right guy I'm not sure he's the best choice...

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I wasn't aware of this, I don't visit OOT so I'm only aware of his strategy posts which have generally been high-quality. If this is true then I agree that it would make him unappealing as a moderator candidate.

Surf

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5/10 6-max is low stakes, right? If so, cartman, Stellarwind and Michael Davis would all fit the bill. I don't know if any of them are interested in being moderator.

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I agree with this, I hadn't thought of them at 3am last night.

Surf

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Ron Burgundy is DMBFan? I guess I'm behind the times.

I was going to back him for my partner in crime, but I do remember that childish rant. Maybe he's not the best pick. He does post great strategy, though, and he's willing to post "below" his level.

The guy I'd nominate for the job is JaxUp. He's been playing 10/20 6 max, but he posts almost exclusively in the micros. He posts good stuff, is polite, and has been quite an asset to the forum. The only mark against him is that he's not a HUSH regular, and I see the merit of promoting one to sort of bridge the gap in the split. In that vein, I think of the three guys suggested in that HUSH thread, StellarWind is the clear choice. I'd like to see him get promoted, assuming he wants the job. Should I send him a PM?

Maybe I'll nominate JaxUp for mod of the BBV forum. He's really made good use of the NC threads in Micro, so he enjoys the system. I'd also be willing to do the job, and I'm sure Dids is a fine choice as well.

I'll endorse Josh. for whatever post you guys see fit for him, whether MUSH or Mid. He'd do a good job. Schneids is obviously also a solid poster. Is he better for the job than Josh.? I'm not so sure. Should he be "saved" for a HU forum? Eh, that forum may never come to be.

The last question I have is if I'll be leaving my post in Micro. I wouldn't mind sticking around there, but I may PM a couple of my ideas if I do end up jumping ship.

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I wasn't aware of this, I don't visit OOT so I'm only aware of his strategy posts which have generally been high-quality. If this is true then I agree that it would make him unappealing as a moderator candidate.

Surf

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I personally don't think that being one of the best strategy posters is a requirement for moderator. IMHO, it's more about the attitude. While above average and winning, I'm certainly not one of the best players in the STT forum.

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Moderating is about managing people, not about being a good poker player. Obviously at some point poker knowledge helps, but being able to lay down the law and let people not hate you at the same time helps a lot.

Poker knowledge is probably most important just in terms of getting the respect of the other posters.

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Poker knowledge is probably most important just in terms of getting the respect of the other posters.

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This was my thought as well. There has been a worry from future SSHUSHers that the atmosphere at the new SSHUSH wont be like the current HUSH, so having a solid strategy-posting HUSHer as a 2nd mod (while of course being patient + competent when it comes to managing ppl) would be best IMHO.

Surf

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Schneids is obviously also a solid poster. Is he better for the job than Josh.? I'm not so sure. Should he be "saved" for a HU forum? Eh, that forum may never come to be.

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Yeah these are my thoughts as well. I think Josh. would be a better MHUSH moderator because of the amazing amount of time he spends on the HUSH forum. Schneids has said he'll post regularly in MHUSH but Josh. has a track record of greater consistency. Also, as you said Schneids would be the quintissential HU moderator if that forum does indeed come to be at some point.

Surf

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Good post. I'll back Josh. for MHSH mod, and Schneids will get HUT, should that come to be.

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I don't agree with this idea of not giving Schneids moderator power on MHHUSH because of the possibility of a HUT forum someday being created. We all saw how long it took before MHHUSH was created despite popular demand (actually we haven't seen that since it still doesn't exist). If we make him a moderator for MHHUSH now and then someday HUT is created, it is trivial to have him be the moderator there and possiblity assign a new MHHUSH moderator. I don't see why this is such a big deal that it should stop us from making Schneids a mod for MHHUSH right now. He clearly wants it. I think he deserves it. It will lead to him posting more and spending more time there which is what everyone in the HUSH community wants.

Sthief should definitely be a mod somewhere (possibly also MHHUSH), but I think that Schneids must be a MHHUSH mod no matter what.

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TStoneMBD would be an excellent moderator.

I agress with Matt that Jaxup would also do a fine job.

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Are we sure all of them want the job and/or can commit the time required for it?

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The point that Schneids being a mod will also encourage him to post more is a good one that I hadn't considered.

Hm...

Surf

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Are we sure all of them want the job and/or can commit the time required for it?

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Both Josh. and Schneids have made it clear that they are interested. Josh. spends all day on 2+2 anyway, so why not have him keep a forum clean? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

As I said before, Schneids isn't as consistent a presence but making him a mod might change that. He actually started a poll in HUSH about "MUSH Mod" and the only candidate in the poll was himself.

Surf

Edit: I also think it wouldn't be a big deal to have Me, Josh., and Schneids all be mods of MHUSH - it's certainly not going to get "over-moderated" it'll just be more likely that one of us will be actively browsing the forum at any given point.

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Eh, I guess we could make you, Schneids and Josh. all MUSH mods. Then, if we make a HUT, we can just move Schneids over there. Having 3 mods isn't at the point of all chiefs and no braves, I suppose.

Who do we want to take the helm of Mid and Higher? Dcifrthis for higher, but will he have a cohort? What about for Suggestions?

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Eh, I guess we could make you, Schneids and Josh. all MUSH mods. Then, if we make a HUT, we can just move Schneids over there. Having 3 mods isn't at the point of all chiefs and no braves, I suppose.

Who do we want to take the helm of Mid and Higher? Dcifrthis for higher, but will he have a cohort? What about for Suggestions?

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Bobbyi has said he'll be a mid mod, and I agree that Jason_t and tstoneMBD are both good candidates as his cohort.

Dcifrthis may or may not need a 2nd mod, I don't know how often he is on the forums, but I would ask him who he thought was best suited for 2nd mod of Higher stakes.

Surf

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I would back Tstone. I don't like Jason_t for the same reason we voted down DMBFan. I think a lot of his posts come off as immature, childish, and whiny. I'm with durron in that attitude is of chief importance.

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I would back Tstone. I don't like Jason_t for the same reason we voted down DMBFan. I think a lot of his posts come off as immature, childish, and whiny. I'm with durron in that attitude is of chief importance.

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Wow, really? It's like some of these guys are Jekyll and Hyde when they leave the strategy forums - I always thought of jason_t as quite mature and composed and a great Mod candidate.

Surf

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I'll throw out three more names for you guys to kick around. bicyclekick and James282 could be great for Higher limits. For a suggestions forum, there is one guy I respect a lot that I think has continually demonstrated sound reasoning -- the kind a mod should have -- and that is Microbob.

I'm not sure if any other these guys are interested though.

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Good call on Microbob. He's a fine choice for the suggestion forum. You wanna send him a PM to see if he's interested?

As for Jason_T, maybe it's just that OOT brings out the worst in some people. Even so, I'd rather not have someone green trapsing around OOT as he does. A bad attitude from a mod reflects poorly on 2+2, even if that mod isn't in his home forum.

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Good call on Microbob. He's a fine choice for the suggestion forum. You wanna send him a PM to see if he's interested?

As for Jason_T, maybe it's just that OOT brings out the worst in some people. Even so, I'd rather not have someone green trapsing around OOT as he does. A bad attitude from a mod reflects poorly on 2+2, even if that mod isn't in his home forum.

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I 2nd microbob for the Forum Suggestions forum.

Also, I agree with you that a mod who behaves badly reflects negatively on 2+2 as a whole, regardless of whether it is in his home forum or in OOT. I was just honestly surprised that some of these guys can sound so intelligent + mature in a strategy forum and pull a 180 and be completely different elsewhere (in OOT for example).

Surf

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Are we sure all of them want the job and/or can commit the time required for it?

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Assuming the answer to the above question is yes, I thumbs up without reservation Josh., Schneids, and Microbob.

I am certain both jason_t and TstoneMBD could do a good job if they wanted to, the question is do they want to? I don't want to see the jason_t/Dynasty pissing contest (which hopefully has ended by now, I wouldn't know) get worse by making him a mod.

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I think DcifrThis should pick the other mod for higher, if any. I'll PM him and point him to this thread.
EDIT: Ok, just sent the PM.

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I would back Tstone. I don't like Jason_t for the same reason we voted down DMBFan. I think a lot of his posts come off as immature, childish, and whiny. I'm with durron in that attitude is of chief importance.

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You're wrong here. If I had to pick the better mod between jason and TStone it's jason in a landslide.

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I just sent him a pm to ask if he's interested.

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Seriously. We don't need any more [censored]/Evan shenanigans.

Microbob...
 

...says he will do it.

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Can you give me an example, Dids? Also, if we can't agree on either Tstone or Jason, is there another person we should consider?

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I'll throw out three more names for you guys to kick around. bicyclekick and James282 could be great for Higher limits. For a suggestions forum, there is one guy I respect a lot that I think has continually demonstrated sound reasoning -- the kind a mod should have -- and that is Microbob.

I'm not sure if any other these guys are interested though.

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Also, i would be cool with BK or James282 as higher-limits mods, assuming Dcifrthis agrees.

Surf

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Can you give me an example, Dids? Also, if we can't agree on either Tstone or Jason, is there another person we should consider?

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I'm not a limit poster, but I lurk there not too infrequently. So here's my suggestion: QTip?

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If I had to pick the better mod between jason and TStone it's jason in a landslide

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same here.

i also think turning moderation of high stakes into an 'in-club' thing would be a bad idea. i would expect bk to impart too much personal/friendship bias. james282 would be a better choice, but i still think it would be best if the forum itself isn't wholly governed by a clique.

how about 1800gambler?

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Can you give me an example, Dids? Also, if we can't agree on either Tstone or Jason, is there another person we should consider?

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I'm not a limit poster, but I lurk there not too infrequently. So here's my suggestion: QTip?

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He's a good poster, but his focus is mainly the lower end of small stakes (2/4) so I really don't think he makes as much sense as a mid-stakes mod as TStone does who has been primarily focussing on midstakes games.

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He's a good poster, but his focus is mainly the lower end of small stakes (2/4) so I really don't think he makes as much sense as a mid-stakes mod as TStone does who has been primarily focussing on midstakes games.

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My quick check found a 15/30 post by him and I remembered reading a few threads with good analysis by him.

What about moving some of the existing mods up and making Jake (the snake) and QTip small stakes mods? Aren't all three of the current mods playing mid stakes?

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Yeah, I was looking into that. QTip came into the micros briefly playing 0.50/1, and then it seemed like he moved to 2/4 and SS within a month. I was sorry to see him go, and I'm surprised to see him still at 2/4. Anyway, we have Entity, Evan, and GoT all currently modding SS. What limits do they play? What about promoting QTip to be a mod of SS, and then bumping 2 of the three current SS mods to Mid Stakes?

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Can you give me an example, Dids? Also, if we can't agree on either Tstone or Jason, is there another person we should consider?

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An example of what?

Read jason's posting history. Yeah- he has a stupid beef with dynasty, but beyond that his posts are very good.

My issue with TStone is simply that while he's a smart kid, he's very much a kid and doesn't strike me as having the people skills for a mod job.

I have a feeling jason wouldn't want the mod job anyway- so it may be pointless debate.