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Can you give us an example of a flop where you would check behind, or sometimes check behind?

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KKx, QQx, KQx, TJJ, etc..

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I would be more inclined to bet these, especially the first two.

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Normally I'm making a continuation bet. As would most players in a shorthanded small stakes game. If you don't understand this concept I suggest you read any one of the myriad poker books & articles that are available to you.


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I'm glad you've figured out how to continuation bet, welcome to the ranks of the novice poker player.

So far in this thread you've: misread the action, given out sketchy advice, and shown no indication of being able to think beyond the most rudimentary, beginner-level, fortune-cookie rules of thumb (Charge the draws! Define your hand!) So I find your attempt to condescend bizarre. Nice use of "myriad" though, Gandalf.

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With this board if someone hit the flush or staright and is looking to c/r I want to know it with one sb.

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Really? How often do you think a c/r here is a made flush or straight? How often do you think you're currently ahead? How often do you think you'll be ahead by the river? How often are you drawing live? Dead? How often is a bet going to fold a hand that you would like to fold?

I don't think the answers to these questions are obvious, but I'm pretty sure they are the right questions to ask in this situation. Unlike you, I think this situation is fairly complex and interesting, but I'm not a continuation bet expert like yourself.

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I'm sorry but I don't give free cards to 3 other players on the flop with a board like this one.

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So, you would be more inclined to check behind if this was heads up? Are you sure you aren't just trolling me now?

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I didn't post anywhere that I would be more inclined to check HU.

Ah, you found me out. I'm just a novice player and you are the expert. Just keep playing that weak/tight game. I'm sure you've done well so far. Anytime you feel like posting your last 100,000 PT 2/4 stats feel free.

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You don't take my money. Your flop bet would be horrible. Stop trolling these boards.

piss off,

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I'm not a troll, though it's interesting that as usual when anyone takes a different viewpoint from the common wisdom of 2+2 they are called a troll.

And no I don't take your money since I have no idea who you are. I do however take Entity down on a regular basis. He just doesn't know it.

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And you didn't bet out on the flop because? You needed to narrow the field and gain info on the flop. Bet it.

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So your advice is, having raised, to auto-bet every single flop regardless of the cards? If not, can you give me an example of a flop that's worse for continuation betting?

Checking this flop is a smart use of position.

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I'm sorry but I really think checking this flop is a major mistake. Shows weakness, allows the others to catch up, just not a good play.

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Checking this flop is 100% correct.

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You are wrong. It is 100% incorrect and a pretty good reasonn why I regularly take your money.

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HU 10/20?

Rob

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You don't take my money. Your flop bet would be horrible. Stop trolling these boards.

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I'm not a troll, though it's interesting that as usual when anyone takes a different viewpoint from the common wisdom of 2+2 they are called a troll.

And no I don't take your money since I have no idea who you are. I do however take Entity down on a regular basis. He just doesn't know it.

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Now you've got me curious. Where do you play?

A flop bet here is terrible but I want to know if you've got something to back up your claims. Since your recent posts indicate you play 2/4 6max I'm pretty sure I have never played you. But maybe you just play 2/4 for fun.

Rob

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Very easy flop check. This is a no-brainer. If I had to fabricate a situation where it was clearly correct to check on the flop after raising PF, it would look almost exactly like this hand.

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If you don't understand this concept I suggest you read any one of the myriad poker books & articles that are available to you.


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Wow, dude. Monty's location shows that he's done more digging around in the archives (an excellent source of poker information) than you ever have. And he's still trying to help you after you kick dirt in his face. I'd be appreciative.

Your arguments against checking:

"Showing weakness" - lol. [censored], I fold 80% of my hands preflop, that's pretty weak isn't it?
"Allowing the others to catch up" - Yeah, we're definitely a huge favorite to win this pot. ...

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We're not discussing preflop play, we're discusiing postflop play. You are aware there is a difference? Comparing the 2 is like apples and oranges. If you want to discuss Hero's preflop play this raise is marginal at best, but if raised the flop should be bet out.

No we are not a huge favorite to win. That is one of the reasons for betting, to increase our chances of winning.

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And you didn't bet out on the flop because? You needed to narrow the field and gain info on the flop. Bet it.

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So your advice is, having raised, to auto-bet every single flop regardless of the cards? If not, can you give me an example of a flop that's worse for continuation betting?

Checking this flop is a smart use of position.

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I'm sorry but I really think checking this flop is a major mistake. Shows weakness, allows the others to catch up, just not a good play.

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Checking this flop is 100% correct.

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You are wrong. It is 100% incorrect and a pretty good reasonn why I regularly take your money.

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HU 10/20?

Rob

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Rob,

Please. Don't let you ego write checks you can't really cash. I'm not interested in playing you HU. I take enough of your money in regular games. And I have for a long time.

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And you didn't bet out on the flop because? You needed to narrow the field and gain info on the flop. Bet it.

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So your advice is, having raised, to auto-bet every single flop regardless of the cards? If not, can you give me an example of a flop that's worse for continuation betting?

Checking this flop is a smart use of position.

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I'm sorry but I really think checking this flop is a major mistake. Shows weakness, allows the others to catch up, just not a good play.

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Checking this flop is 100% correct.

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You are wrong. It is 100% incorrect and a pretty good reasonn why I regularly take your money.

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HU 10/20?

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Rob,

Please. Don't let you ego write checks you can't really cash. I'm not interested in playing you HU. I take enough of your money in regular games. And I have for a long time.

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I'm being honest when I'm saying that I don't think I've ever played you, let alone played you on a regular basis. If you frequent Absolute you'll see me at 5/10 when I'm bored, but usually at 10/20 and 15/30. Sometimes 25/50 when the games are good. I would honestly love to play you HU at 10/20. If you're interested let's setup a date and time and exchange usernames.

Rob

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Congrats on your successful trolling.

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And you didn't bet out on the flop because? You needed to narrow the field and gain info on the flop. Bet it.

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So your advice is, having raised, to auto-bet every single flop regardless of the cards? If not, can you give me an example of a flop that's worse for continuation betting?

Checking this flop is a smart use of position.

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I'm sorry but I really think checking this flop is a major mistake. Shows weakness, allows the others to catch up, just not a good play.

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Checking this flop is 100% correct.

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You are wrong. It is 100% incorrect and a pretty good reasonn why I regularly take your money.

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HU 10/20?

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Rob,

Please. Don't let you ego write checks you can't really cash. I'm not interested in playing you HU. I take enough of your money in regular games. And I have for a long time.

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What do you think my username is? Feel free to post it.

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i remember reading this thread a couple days ago, and then today i log in and see it has ~50 replies. so i wonder what the hell's going on. i guessed that people were going to be discussing calling vs. folding this river because i do think it's close.

but instead i come to see banditdad chumping it up, metetron telling him to piss off, and entity challenging him to heads up.

great thread i must say. banditdad you are a huge tool.

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So your advice is, having raised, to auto-bet every single flop regardless of the cards? If not, can you give me an example of a flop that's worse for continuation betting?

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I'm sorry but I really think checking this flop is a major mistake. Shows weakness, allows the others to catch up, just not a good play.

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Checking this flop is 100% correct.

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You are wrong. It is 100% incorrect and a pretty good reasonn why I regularly take your money.

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HU 10/20?

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Rob,

Please. Don't let you ego write checks you can't really cash. I'm not interested in playing you HU. I take enough of your money in regular games. And I have for a long time.

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I'm being honest when I'm saying that I don't think I've ever played you, let alone played you on a regular basis. If you frequent Absolute you'll see me at 5/10 when I'm bored, but usually at 10/20 and 15/30. Sometimes 25/50 when the games are good. I would honestly love to play you HU at 10/20. If you're interested let's setup a date and time and exchange usernames.

Rob

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I play 99% at AP and mostly 5/10. I also used to play you way back when there were private 2+2 tables at Party. Sorry but I will not post or give out my user name.

I do think it is unfortuante that anyone who disagrees with the self proclaimed Lords of 2+2 are labeled trolls.

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I see. Anyone who disagrees with the conventional wisdonm is a troll. How sad.

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I think what you mean is I have a huge tool. At least that's what your Momma says.

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I'm agreeing with metetron and kirshan than this does feel like a good bluff C/R opportunity when the board pairs here.

So calling it down is probably for the best.....but I think in this case it's VERY borderline.
A more specific read here (or ideas of your recent table-image) would certainly be helpful in a case like this....but sometimes there just isn't much of a read in those areas and all we have to work with is trying to find some sort of 'best default play' against a guy with such-and-such stats.
Which I think is okay too.


I've been a call-down-aholic for far too long.
it's a bad thing for the most part. But it also gives me an idea of what some players are capable of.

Even by players with crappy stats I find that some fairly creative plays against potential weak-tight folders (such as river C/R bluffs when the board pairs) are more common than many around here might think.


For a certain type of fishy player it almost seems like 'river C/R stone bluffs' are the new black. They've been watching a lot of WPT I suspect.

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You are wrong. It is 100% incorrect and a pretty good reasonn why I regularly take your money.

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HU 10/20?

Rob

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Please. Don't let you ego write checks you can't really cash. I'm not interested in playing you HU. I take enough of your money in regular games. And I have for a long time.

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I'm being honest when I'm saying that I don't think I've ever played you, let alone played you on a regular basis. If you frequent Absolute you'll see me at 5/10 when I'm bored, but usually at 10/20 and 15/30. Sometimes 25/50 when the games are good. I would honestly love to play you HU at 10/20. If you're interested let's setup a date and time and exchange usernames.

Rob

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I play 99% at AP and mostly 5/10. I also used to play you way back when there were private 2+2 tables at Party. Sorry but I will not post or give out my user name.

I do think it is unfortuante that anyone who disagrees with the self proclaimed Lords of 2+2 are labeled trolls.

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PM me my username. If you play 5/10 a lot I'm sure I've played you there.

Rob

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also - banditdad strongly disagreed with my idea that checking-through on the river would be bad because of all the stuff on the board.


Am I to understand that most here agree that betting this river (at the risk of a C/R if he has a 7) is acceptable?


Since some here are advocating a call of the C/R it would seem that they find the river bet to be a given.

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This thread should be locked. And some posts deleted wouldn't be bad either. Keep it civil guys. (And take it to PMs)

Krishan

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You're right. I overreacted. I should have just ignored him but I've had a pot of coffee and I get twitchy when I have too much caffeine.

I'm curious about his AP username because I want to know whether I think he plays well or badly based on when I've played him. He's not telling me what it is and it shouldn't matter. I'm also curious about how he'd know me since only a few people seem to know my AP username, but I don't keep it super secretive. Of course, I really shouldn't care at all since I basically play 5/10 for the rakeback and don't even try to play my C game most of the time (I'm a 37/28/2 player there overall, filtered for 5-handed I think).

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yeah betting the river is a no brainer - as is checking through on the flop.

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I agree (although i'm not a big fan of 'locking' threads. But deleting and/or just changing the direction of the discussion...if it's going to continue)


This whole bit of "I'm taking your money but you don't even know it" and "I want to play at your tables" (implication being 'because you suck so badly') aren't appropriate.


strongly disagreeing and having some ideas that are different from the majority I think is fine.

But the personal attacks and challenges just need to go.

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I agree (although i'm not a big fan of 'locking' threads. But deleting and/or just changing the direction of the discussion...if it's going to continue)


This whole bit of "I'm taking your money but you don't even know it" and "I want to play at your tables" (implication being 'because you suck so badly') aren't appropriate.


strongly disagreeing and having some ideas that are different from the majority I think is fine.

But the personal attacks and challenges just need to go.

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I have never been as proud of one of my own threads as I am right now.

bandit, people disagree with each other in these forums all the time. Go back to the main page and you'll see that 90%+ of threads there is at least one and usually more arguing against the convential wisdom, but this is the only one that has digressed to the highly coveted "HU RIGHT NOW BITCH" level, all because of your lack of social and/or debating skills. Intelligent discussion is the point of this site, after all. It's when you drop the level of discourse to the "maybe you should read a book" that you're going to end up getting ignored and considered a troll. Just a little tip in case you ever again find occasion where you need to interact with other people.

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You're right. I overreacted. I should have just ignored him but I've had a pot of coffee and I get twitchy when I have too much caffeine.

I'm curious about his AP username because I want to know whether I think he plays well or badly based on when I've played him. He's not telling me what it is and it shouldn't matter. I'm also curious about how he'd know me since only a few people seem to know my AP username, but I don't keep it super secretive. Of course, I really shouldn't care at all since I basically play 5/10 for the rakeback and don't even try to play my C game most of the time (I'm a 37/28/2 player there overall, filtered for 5-handed I think).

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No worries. Why worry about the guy? He wants to bet a flop where his flop equity is nil. Let him.

thread I overreact in

I just make an effort to keep my overreacting out of HUSH/MUSH. Happy new year!

Krishan

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Wow. Even for 5-handed you're an exceptional uber-lag.

I love those stats!!


Are you just stealing the blinds from UTG with K2o or what??

Are you 3-betting in the SB vs. a steal with J7s??


Seriously...I would be very curious what kind of standards you have to play 37/28. If you can't simplify them that's fine. This just has me uber-curious about your uber-laggyness.

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Actually I agreed that checking the river is the best line to take. I believe, (and of course this is poker so I could be wrong) that if he has you beat he will raise if he doesn't he will fold and there are way to many hands that have you beat. I would just check the river. A9 with this board is nothing to brag about and I've seen players with villians stats play anything including suited 27 down to the river, especially after catching a piece.

I know I'll get hammered for this by all the experts who think they can get reads, but at small stakes,(and the original poster did not indicate the stakes), there are way to many players who will play down to the river hoping to catch. Quite frankly at 2/4 or 3/6 I've given up trying to put the loose callers on a range of hands.

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Wow. Even for 5-handed you're an exceptional uber-lag.

I love those stats!!


Are you just stealing the blinds from UTG with K2o or what??

Are you 3-betting in the SB vs. a steal with J7s??


Seriously...I would be very curious what kind of standards you have to play 37/28. If you can't simplify them that's fine. This just has me uber-curious about your uber-laggyness.

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I just loaded up PT and I'm not quite as laggy as I thought. Average 5-handed (4.96), 22k hands, I'm 34/25.7/2.23 (2.75/1.97/1.59). Most of it probably comes from defending a ton (FBB 47.6) and stealing a fair amount (ASB 39) but I'm honestly not sure.

AP 5/10 is where I do a lot of what I call my 'experimentation' with my play, based on player types I'm up against. Recently I've started a flavic-style capping with a wide range against SB/BB 3-bets when you're in position. I've tried other things too like openlimping OTB more in 3-handed games, coldcalling from the SB, etc., to try to satisfy my morbid curiousity about different 2p2 dogmas. It's fun and it keeps me from getting bored. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Since I basically effed up this thread I'll try to add some content to it:

Filtered 4-6, I am 31/23, which is relatively sane. VPIP/PFR by position:

Button - 31/30
CO - 27/26
MP - 23/23
UTG - 24/24
BB - 36/13
SB - 35/22

Rob

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Only if you want to spew chips. Please I'm begging you, tell me where you play. I need to take your money.

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bandit, people disagree with each other in these forums all the time. Go back to the main page and you'll see that 90%+ of threads there is at least one and usually more arguing against the convential wisdom, but this is the only one that has digressed to the highly coveted "HU RIGHT NOW BITCH" level, all because of your lack of social and/or debating skills. Intelligent discussion is the point of this site, after all. It's when you drop the level of discourse to the "maybe you should read a book" that you're going to end up getting ignored and considered a troll. Just a little tip in case you ever again find occasion where you need to interact with other people.

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Actually I disagree. 2+2 has a deserved reputation for being rude, arrogant and nasty in tone. One of the reasons I havn't posted here for a long time.

However, if I was somehow rude and hurt someone's feelings then I apologize.

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you're a mad-man.
I like this kind of experimentation.

Probably confuses the hell out of fellow 2+2'ers who just see you 'playing wrong'.

I asked a few weeks ago about cold-calling in the SB with certain hands against a certain range of opponents and naturally got the conventional 2+2 wisdom that I should be 3-betting it of course.
Has certain meta-game implications to really throw off aware opponents.

I still think this is likely correct (because people smarter than me have made very convincing arguments)...perhaps even 100% of the time...but I'm not entirely convinced about that.

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you've never played online poker before. this is such an easy value bet its not funny.

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I really don't want to get wrapped up in this, but nobody's calling you a troll because you disagree with the crowd. (for the record, I think a flop bet on this board into 4 people is dumb aggression and wouldn't do it myself)

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Yes you've found me out. I've never played online poker before. I thought this was the online tiddly winks site. My mistake.

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Did you not read the previous posts where it was suggested that these types of personal challenges and insults aren't productive?


Please consider changing your tone so as to be better respected and/or understood.


I'm reminded of a guy in the high-stakes forum named Tommy angelo who is really quite smart and has some VERY unconventional strategies for the most part.

He goes against the 2+2 grain a LOT. But his ideas are generally respected because he doesn't go around saying, "You suck and I'm great. Tell me your name online so I can take your money."

He simply presents rational arguments for why his way might be better without making it personal or taking things personally.

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I really don't want to get wrapped up in this, but nobody's calling you a troll because you disagree with the crowd. (for the record, I think a flop bet on this board into 4 people is dumb aggression and wouldn't do it myself)

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Am I to understand that most here agree that betting this river (at the risk of a C/R if he has a 7) is acceptable?

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yeah betting the river is a no brainer - as is checking through on the flop.

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Only if you want to spew chips. Please I'm begging you, tell me where you play. I need to take your money.

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I don't want to do the whole e-penis thing. You don't want to play me at 10/20 HU, and that's fine. I'd play you at 5/10 if you wanted, no lower. But you don't want to play HU and I'm cool with that.

But I think it'd be decent of you to PM me what my AP username is (or any of my usernames that you've played with in the last 6 months) if you have been consistently taking my money. You don't even have to tell me who you are. I genuinely think you were just making a BS claim and was curious.

Rob

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also - banditdad strongly disagreed with my idea that checking-through on the river would be bad because of all the stuff on the board.


Am I to understand that most here agree that betting this river (at the risk of a C/R if he has a 7) is acceptable?


Since some here are advocating a call of the C/R it would seem that they find the river bet to be a given.

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In an earlier post you wrote "If hero checks the river the hand is over (and checking this river would be terrible). Check/call is not an option." Now you write that you would check through on the river. Which is it?

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bandit

you read bad

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he's wondering if everyone else agrees that betting the river is acceptable. and everyone does agree, because it is honestly one of the easiest bets ever. if you do not value bet this type of hand you are missing out on a ton of money.

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banditdad strongly disagreed with my idea that checking-through on the river would be bad

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Re-read this post because I think my word-order might have tripped you up a bit.

I am saying that my idea was 'checking through on the river would be bad' and that you 'strongly disagreed with my idea'.