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When i first saw this line i thought to myself ND is a lock! Looks too easy to take the fighting irish.... Does anybody see a Vegas trap?

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Hmm. the line lokos about right to me.

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btw, check the sports betting forum

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I don't understand how this would be anywhere near a lock for ND.

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Plus, there is a good chance if this turns into a blowout it will be a ND win. And an OSU win has a better chance of being close because of the style of team they are. When you rely on defense and ball control you don't blow out other good teams.

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I don't understand how this would be anywhere near a lock for ND.

[/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't say a lock. But, I like Weis with a month to set a gameplan against OSU's defense.

Plus, there is a good chance if this turns into a blowout it will be a ND win. And an OSU win has a better chance of being close because of the style of team they are. When you rely on defense and ball control you don't blow out other good teams.

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NW is a team fairly similar (but not as good as ND).

NW 48-7
Iowa 31-6
Indiana 41-10
Minnesota 45-31 (was a 45-24 until garbage time)
Illinois 40-2

The odds of Ohio State getting blown out in this one are extremely slim. ND's defense is very suspect, and this isn't a typical "run the ball" OSU team. In critical games, they have let teams march down the field and score near the end of the games virtually unchallenged. This is probably the most balanced OSU offense I've seen since 98, and I don't see them struggling to put up fewer than 28 points against the Irish.

In all honestly, If you told me that someone wins by 5 points, I'd be much more worried than if you said someone wins by 14+. ND is pretty much a one-dimensional passing team (e.g. Northwestern, Michigan State). The tough thing Weis is going to have to do is figure out how to play defense. He won't win a shootout.

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ND obviously is more of a passing team, but calling them one-dimensional isn't really fair. Walker is a decent back.

I think this will be a good game, close, with ND making a 80 yard TD drive in last 2 mins to win [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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ND obviously is more of a passing team, but calling them one-dimensional isn't really fair. Walker is a decent back.

I think this will be a good game, close, with ND making a 80 yard TD drive in last 2 mins to win [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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If Walker runs for more than 50 yards, I'll be shocked.

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ND sounds good to me...

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ND sounds good to me...

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You people who are picking ND know very little about college football, or watch too much ESPN.

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Or I watched 5+ Ohio State and ND games all year. I chose ND vs the spread. And its just my opinion. Both looked equally shaky vs MSU, and both had stellar games against USC and Texas. With four weeks preparation, I'd take Charlie Weis' gameplan in a second over Tressel's, who took 3 games to figure out Zwick shouldn't be starting over Troy Smith.

That line just seems a tad too large for me. Don't get me wrong, I think OSU should be favored, but not by 5.5.

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ND sounds good to me...

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You people who are picking ND know very little about college football, or watch too much ESPN.

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What's wrong with picking the team you like? i mean, thats what sports are about right? everything doesnt have to be reduced to a math problem.

btw, I don't watch ESPN.

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Or I watched 5+ Ohio State and ND games all year.

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As have I, which is why I think people who think ND is going to win are crazy.

I'm speaking of those who think ND is going to win the game, I could care less about the spread. That [censored] is for the sports betting forum.

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Random Question:

Prior to the season, didn't Notre Dame have the #1 Strength of Schedule? I mean, they had USC, Michigan, and Tennessee all on the map, and those three were ranked #1, 3, and 4 preseason. True, Michigan and Tennessee fared poorly this year, but preseason, damn, that's a good sched.

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Preseason they did have #1, though it obviously doesnt mean anything after the season has been played. but they were easily #1. in addition to those teams, and Purdue and Pitt were supposed also to be better then they were.

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Prior to the season, didn't Notre Dame have the #1 Strength of Schedule? I mean, they had USC, Michigan, and Tennessee all on the map, and those three were ranked #1, 3, and 4 preseason. True, Michigan and Tennessee fared poorly this year, but preseason, damn, that's a good sched.

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Your point?

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'Random Question' would generally indicate that he did not intend to make point.

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Both looked equally shaky vs MSU, and both had stellar games against USC and Texas.

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I would argue that USC was ND's best game. I don't think many Irish fans deny this. On the other hand, I feel that the Texas game was probably the 2nd worst game OSU played this year (Michigan was the worst). So many missed opporunities and mistakes. The game could have easily been a 2 touchdown win for the Bucks, but they blew it. (On the other side, this was probably the 2nd worst game for Texas as well, with A&M being the worst).

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'Random Question' would generally indicate that he did not intend to make point.

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I'm fairly sure he was trying to go somewhere with it. And I'm pretty sure I wasn't addressing you.

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Both looked equally shaky vs MSU, and both had stellar games against USC and Texas.

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I would argue that USC was ND's best game. I don't think many Irish fans deny this. On the other hand, I feel that the Texas game was probably the 2nd worst game OSU played this year (Michigan was the worst). So many missed opporunities and mistakes. The game could have easily been a 2 touchdown win for the Bucks, but they blew it. (On the other side, this was probably the 2nd worst game for Texas as well, with A&M being the worst).

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Not to mention Hamby is a blowhard.

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I'm fairly sure he was trying to go somewhere with it.

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really? what would indicate that? obviously nothing, or you wouldn't have made your post.

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And I'm pretty sure I wasn't addressing you.

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I responded because you are this forum's biggest troll. look at your posts in this thread. in a thread about people's opinions you call people stupid for having one opinion. all you do is attack people. it really is lovely content you add to the forums.

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I'm fairly sure he was trying to go somewhere with it.

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really? what would indicate that? obviously nothing, or you wouldn't have made your post.

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And I'm pretty sure I wasn't addressing you.

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I responded because you are this forum's biggest troll. look at your posts in this thread. in a thread about people's opinions you call people stupid for having one opinion. all you do is attack people. it really is lovely content you add to the forums.

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Why else would he ask a question like that if he wasn't going to go anywhere with it? Sure, maybe he wanted it to know for his own knowledge, but probably not.

As for me being a troll, I probably started out like that (see my beloved Red Sox thread from the summer), but I would no longer consider myself one. I have made many posts over the last 3 weeks dealing with the ND/BCS subject, highlighting why I think ND is overrated. I don't feel like I need to do it anymore. The posts I have made in this thread is to try and figure out why people actually think ND is going to win, other than "Weis will think of something!". Bring the statistical meat.

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Actually I was just curious. Wow someone is testy.

I have no emotional tie-ins to the game, but I just think its going to be the second-best Bowl game out there. Naturally, OSU fans are going to think OSU is gonna win in a romp, ND fans are going to be diehard Touchdown Jesus.

I will say this though... as a Michigan fan, looking back on the season, the eternal optimist in me says "damn we shoulda beaten Wisco, Minny, and OSU". Never in my mind am I like "how did we lose to ND?" We lost that game flat-out. Hart was injured, and Henne had that crucial fumble on 2nd and Goal from inches away.

Should be a great game. As I said earlier, I'll probably take ND getting points, but the game is going to be a good one.

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Actually I was just curious. Wow someone is testy.

I have no emotional tie-ins to the game, but I just think its going to be the second-best Bowl game out there. Naturally, OSU fans are going to think OSU is gonna win in a romp, ND fans are going to be diehard Touchdown Jesus.

I will say this though... as a Michigan fan, looking back on the season, the eternal optimist in me says "damn we shoulda beaten Wisco, Minny, and OSU". Never in my mind am I like "how did we lose to ND?" We lost that game flat-out. Hart was injured, and Henne had that crucial fumble on 2nd and Goal from inches away.

Should be a great game. As I said earlier, I'll probably take ND getting points, but the game is going to be a good one.

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I'm testy when [censored] like cockhead get in my face about something when I am not addressing them.

Also, I know that I am biased as a tOSU fan, but speaking as a college football fan, I really don't think it will even be close.

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NW is a team fairly similar (but not as good as ND).

NW 48-7
Iowa 31-6
Indiana 41-10
Minnesota 45-31 (was a 45-24 until garbage time)
Illinois 40-2

The odds of Ohio State getting blown out in this one are extremely slim. ND's defense is very suspect, and this isn't a typical "run the ball" OSU team. In critical games, they have let teams march down the field and score near the end of the games virtually unchallenged. This is probably the most balanced OSU offense I've seen since 98, and I don't see them struggling to put up fewer than 28 points against the Irish.

In all honestly, If you told me that someone wins by 5 points, I'd be much more worried than if you said someone wins by 14+. ND is pretty much a one-dimensional passing team (e.g. Northwestern, Michigan State). The tough thing Weis is going to have to do is figure out how to play defense. He won't win a shootout.

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This should be an odd argument because I've watched 5 OSU games this year (Texas,PSU, MSU,NW and Mich) and every ND game.

What I gaged in those games was that OSU tries to get the ball to Ginn who I think was better last year than this year and seems to be living off of reputation. Santonio Holmes is a good reciever, but he seems to disapear for prolonged periods of time during the game. When they are playing well they are dominating the line of scrimage with runs by Pittman and Smith. Smith played very well against Michigan and has been pretty solid in most of the games I've seen and his stats look good.

I know that as a Buckeye fan you don't know what balanced means, but they ran the ball 470 times and attempted passes 274 times. That's a ball control running team. When they need to, they throw, but when they are in control they run.

You can call ND a passing team, but certainly not like Northwestern. They ran the ball 463 times this year and attempted 409 passes. That looks like balance to me.

Antonio Pittman finished the regular season with 1195 yards/5.4 YPC/15 rec 155 yards and 6 TDs

Darius Walker finished the year with 1106 yards/4.7 YPC/36 rec 314 yards and 8 TDs

FWIW, I think Weis would love to get into a shootout. The Irish certainly have more weapons and have been much more consistent on offense.

I think alot of people forget how much the Notre Dame defense slowed down USC. Leinart had a horrible game and so did White. It was all Bush all of the time. Their defense is very underated. It has most of it's problems because of the score of games. When your offense is scoring 38 ppg your defense isn't playing alot of clamp down D.

Weis is very good (ask Tom Brady) at breaking down an oposing teams defense if given an extra week (or in this case a whole month) to come up with a specific game plan he will do it.

What does the OSU defense do poorly? Is it defend short passes? Is it the deep ball? Is it stretch plays? Running up the middle? Every defense has a weakness Weis is the best in all of football, pro or college, at finding and exploiting it.

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First, two of the games you watched had OSU playing a completely different gameplan. Second, when you are winning a game by 30 points, you generally going to run the ball every play no matter what. I don't think number of plays running vs. passing is really a logical comaprison.

ND OSU NW Texas Tech
Passing YPG: 334.3 215.1 296.8 403.6
Rushing YPG: 154.8 189.5 195.9 107.4

Passing Y% 68.4% 53.2% 60.2% 79.0%
Rushing Y% 31.6% 46.8% 39.8% 21.0%

So I was wrong. ND is EVEN MORE one dimensional than NW on offense. Not as bad as Texas Tech, however.


To close, a funny picture:
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LMAO

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Every defense has a weakness Weis is the best in all of football, pro or college, at finding and exploiting it.


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Yes, he showed that against Michigan St. But then, they are a very complex team to decipher.

Watching Weiss on TV must be better than porn for you, huh?

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I think alot of people forget how much the Notre Dame defense slowed down USC. Leinart had a horrible game and so did White. It was all Bush all of the time. Their defense is very underated.

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So did USC have a bad day, or was it ND defense? It's funny. If USC has a bad day against ND(@ND), it's ND being underrated and a testiment to just how good they are. If ND has a bad day against say, Stanford or Michigan St., well, then it just was a bad day for ND and on any other day they'd have beaten them or been more convincing.

What a great double standard.

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Every defense has a weakness Weis is the best in all of football, pro or college, at finding and exploiting it.


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Yes, he showed that against Michigan St. But then, they are a very complex team to decipher.

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How many teams scored more against MSU than ND did?

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Every defense has a weakness Weis is the best in all of football, pro or college, at finding and exploiting it.


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Yes, he showed that against Michigan St. But then, they are a very complex team to decipher.

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How many teams scored more against MSU than ND did?

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You realize this was an OT game. So I'll give them credit for 38 points.

NW scored 49 points. Minnesota scored 41. OSU had 35. Michigan had 34 (31 in regulation). PSU had 31. All in the same ballpark. Also, a few of those games, those teams could have easily scored more at the end if the objective was to score more points than ND. ND needed all 60 minutes to even compete in this game.

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Every defense has a weakness Weis is the best in all of football, pro or college, at finding and exploiting it.


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Yes, he showed that against Michigan St. But then, they are a very complex team to decipher.

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How many teams scored more against MSU than ND did?

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Mich St also gave up 34+ pts in 5 games. 40+ in 3 games. In route to a powerful 5-6 record.

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That flowchart is funny, because it's true

ND will meet their just punishment in the bowl game they don't deserve to be in. Expect an tOSU blowout. This one is not close.

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That flowchart is funny, because it's true

ND will meet their just punishment in the bowl game they don't deserve to be in. Expect an tOSU blowout. This one is not close.

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The best part is all the Domers and ESPN love has the line lower than it should be. $$$$$$$ for me.

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Don't get me wrong...I hate ND but i'm a fan of MONEY...I also like the charlie weis factor...He has 1 month to prepare and was a reggie bush push away from being 10-1...

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Don't get me wrong...I hate ND but i'm a fan of MONEY...I also like the charlie weis factor...He has 1 month to prepare and was a reggie bush push away from being 10-1...

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Just curious, but is there anything Weis has done besides almost beating USC on a bad day of note? Being the offensive coordinator of a defensive team that was in the bottom half of the league on offense doesn't seem that impressive. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid domers.

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, I'd take Charlie Weis' gameplan in a second over Tressel's, who took 3 games to figure out Zwick shouldn't be starting over Troy Smith.

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See my avatar dude? Should I add his UM record into play also? Hell even in the Texas game, he outcoached Mac Brown. He put The Bucks in a great position to win, which surely would have happened had Hartsock caught the pass that he dropped.

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That flowchart is funny, because it's true

ND will meet their just punishment in the bowl game they don't deserve to be in. Expect an tOSU blowout. This one is not close.

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The best part is all the Domers and ESPN love has the line lower than it should be. $$$$$$$ for me.

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I don't get the "go to a good school" or "go to nd" choice?
80% of kids at tOSU couldn't get into ND and somehow it's not a "good school"????

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That flowchart is funny, because it's true

ND will meet their just punishment in the bowl game they don't deserve to be in. Expect an tOSU blowout. This one is not close.

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The best part is all the Domers and ESPN love has the line lower than it should be. $$$$$$$ for me.

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I don't get the "go to a good school" or "go to nd" choice?
80% of kids at tOSU couldn't get into ND and somehow it's not a "good school"????

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osu is ranked higher than nd in nearly all academic categories. nd has higher admission standards.

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That flowchart is funny, because it's true

ND will meet their just punishment in the bowl game they don't deserve to be in. Expect an tOSU blowout. This one is not close.

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The best part is all the Domers and ESPN love has the line lower than it should be. $$$$$$$ for me.

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I don't get the "go to a good school" or "go to nd" choice?
80% of kids at tOSU couldn't get into ND and somehow it's not a "good school"????

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osu is ranked higher than nd in nearly all academic categories. nd has higher admission standards.

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We're talking about undergraduate programs here, not size of research and grad programs. Show me even one undergraduate ranking where tOSU beats ND academically.

Also, I stand by my 80% statement. Maybe I'm wrong though, and ND is a crappy school and talented kids mistakenly apply there year after year while passing up on much better academic schools such as tOSU...

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Don't get me wrong...I hate ND but i'm a fan of MONEY...I also like the charlie weis factor...He has 1 month to prepare and was a reggie bush push away from being 10-1...

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Just curious, but is there anything Weis has done besides almost beating USC on a bad day of note? Being the offensive coordinator of a defensive team that was in the bottom half of the league on offense doesn't seem that impressive. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid domers.

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USC was at their best that day. Ask any Domer. Yknow, the one's that forget about that 67 yard pass...

But hey, they did beat my huskies at husky stadium this year! Now that's a feat they wait to throw out there when they need to pull out the big guns. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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