TP OOP 100NL
 

I haven't posted a hand in a while. This one was a little uncomfortable.

Just sat down, I have $100. Stars 100NL, 9 players.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. BB Posts a blind of $1.00. 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.50, LP calls $3.50, 3 folds.

Flop (3 players, $12.00): 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $9, 1 fold, LP raises to $20, Hero ... ?

Plan? If you would call, what's your plan for the turn & river assuming nobody improves? Assuming I improve? Assuming the board gets scarier?

Edit to add that both preflop opponents cover me.

Re: TP OOP 100NL
 

wow this spot sucks real real bad. w/ no reads i fold oop in a big pot with 1 pair. if i think my hand is good i call the raise, 2/3 pot the turn and give up by the river.

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Yeah this is an uncomfortable spot. Some villians will smooth call AK in position and you're way behind to that.

The other problem is that if villian is raising for a free turn on a flush draw you have to lead the turn, so this hand is going to get expensive.

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no reads at all? against a tough/tricky opponent, i like a stop-n-go. call the flop raise and lead 2/3 pot on pretty much any turn. fold to any further aggression.

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I haven't posted a hand in a while. This one was a little uncomfortable.

Just sat down, I have $100. Stars 100NL, 9 players.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. BB Posts a blind of $1.00. 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.50, LP calls $3.50, 3 folds.

Flop (3 players, $12.00): 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $9, 1 fold, LP raises to $20, Hero ... ?

Plan? If you would call, what's your plan for the turn & river assuming nobody improves? Assuming I improve? Assuming the board gets scarier?

Edit to add that both preflop opponents cover me.

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I'm folding here, Grunch. Hero's position here plus the low likelihood of Hero improving makes this a situation where you will win the minimum when you win and lose the maximum when you lose.

The only other line I could see is call the Villain's flop raise and lead the turn for 2/3. Shutdown if called. Fold if raised. I still think folding the flop is a better choice in the longrun.

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For this very reason, I fold all no pair hands other than AK UTG and UTG+1 when I have just sat at a full table. Once in this situation without reads I fold though. He wants to play a big pot, you don't and you're in no spot to control the pot size. Hope 100nl is treating you well

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What if you were in the same spot against someone you knew was LAG ? He could be raising with a flush draw, maybe even A2 or A3, or 45. I was in this spot and chose to check-call whole way to trap a weaker hand, but that didn't let me define my hand and discover his strength. Reraise flop, or just call flop and lead turn with any card (even a diamong)?

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heres a similar hand i played yesterday an i would play yours the same, folding to a turn raise.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 ($103.50)
MP1 ($46.50)
MP2 ($205.65)
MP3 ($108.40)
CO :#A500AF(villain)/ ($96)
Button ($113.30)
SB ($95)
BB ($25)
UTG ($71.95)
Hero ($240.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO :#A500AF(villain)/ calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">villain raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($37.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, villain calls $15.

River: ($67.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, villain calls $20.

Final Pot: $107.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has As Qh (two pair, aces and sixes).
villain has Js Ah (two pair, aces and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $107.50. </font>

paul

Re: TP OOP 100NL
 

Full ring I think this is a flop fold, but 6max its call and lead turn, but its VERY borderline in 6max too. Tough spot in general.

Its minraises like this get us in trouble (a little more than a minraise i know).

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Well, I figured that the choice I needed to make was to see a showdown or fold now. I decided that the opponent could have a hand like TT or even sometimes a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw as often as AK, so I had to try to show the hand down...

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A Q. SB posts a blind of $0.50. BB Posts a blind of $1.00. 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.50, LP calls $3.50, 3 folds.

Flop (3 players, $12.00): 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $9, 1 fold, LP raises to $20, Hero calls $11.

Turn (2 players, $52): [2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bet $35, LP calls $35.

River (2 players, $122): [2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I have $40 left. I wanted to get them all in the middle, and I felt the best way was to induce. At this point I'm convinced he has AK, and he won't let the river go by un-bet. So, I checked.

Hero checks, LP bets $40, Hero calls all-in.

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Well, I figured that the choice I needed to make was to see a showdown or fold now. I decided that the opponent could have a hand like TT or even sometimes a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw as often as AK, so I had to try to show the hand down...

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A Q. SB posts a blind of $0.50. BB Posts a blind of $1.00. 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.50, LP calls $3.50, 3 folds.

Flop (3 players, $12.00): 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $9, 1 fold, LP raises to $20, Hero calls $11.

Turn (2 players, $52): [2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bet $35, LP calls $35.

River (2 players, $122): [2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I have $40 left. I wanted to get them all in the middle, and I felt the best way was to induce. At this point I'm convinced he has AK, and he won't let the river go by un-bet. So, I checked.

Hero checks, LP bets $40, Hero calls all-in.

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Just push the river, if he has anything he will call, and he checks behind with AJ, A2, A3

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Check river is best against missed draws, but you lose value from ax[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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Unfortunately, the opponent showed me a set of duces, and MHING.

I misplayed this hand. What was my error?

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Just push the river, if he has anything he will call

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There is a variation of this concept.. it goes "and if he has nothing, he will fold."

I like a check-call in this spot. AKo might check behind and we can get diamonds to bluff.

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Unfortunately, the opponent showed me a set of duces, and MHING.

I misplayed this hand. What was my error?

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Before I read the outcome, my impression was that Villian showed no fear of the Ace that flopped, indicating that Villian either had an Ace, or called the PF bet with a pair and flopped the set.

Of course, Villian could be bluffing the flop under the assumption that hero didn't have ace. Not knowing Villian, I would discount this possibility.

I agree w/ the following post. You hate to play hands that, even if you hit the flop, get you in trouble.

Let's say Villian didn't flop the set. He probably would've folded to your flop bet. So your upside is that you win a small pot; downside, you lose your stack. Not my kind of deal.



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For this very reason, I fold all no pair hands other than AK UTG and UTG+1 when I have just sat at a full table. Once in this situation without reads I fold though. He wants to play a big pot, you don't and you're in no spot to control the pot size. Hope 100nl is treating you well

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I misplayed this hand. What was my error?

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i think you played it fine. folding the flop is the safest play, but not the most profitable. the line you took is riskier and you will lose sometimes, but you'll win more money when you win.