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mojobluesman 12-22-2005 01:28 PM

2 Bind Defending Hands
 
I've been trying to defend my blinds a little better. I had no read here. I checked the flop because of 2 cards in the playing zone. When he checked behind I intended to bet the turn, but then another somewhat dangerous card fell and I decided to take my losses and exit.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

Hand #2

MP3 was a loose passive.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP3 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Songwind 12-22-2005 01:34 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
*grunch*
Hand 1:
Do you have a read on Button? If I don't have a read that he steals basically every time, I don't think I defend with this hand. A3o is fairly weak unless you flop a wheel draw or something of similar strength. If I did call, I'd play the same.

Hand 2:
Are you raising to isolate MP3? I don't much care for A8o out of position, and I'd fold this PF.

mojobluesman 12-22-2005 01:38 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
Here's another

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">8 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Vote4Pedro 12-22-2005 01:42 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
Hand 1: Fine, I dont mind calling, raising, or folding a hand like A3 in the BB. Depending on the player of course.

Hand 2: Raise from SB w/ A8s+, or ATo+

mojobluesman 12-22-2005 01:43 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
[ QUOTE ]
*grunch*
Hand 1:
Do you have a read on Button? If I don't have a read that he steals basically every time, I don't think I defend with this hand. A3o is fairly weak unless you flop a wheel draw or something of similar strength. If I did call, I'd play the same.

Hand 2:
Are you raising to isolate MP3? I don't much care for A8o out of position, and I'd fold this PF.

[/ QUOTE ]

I generally fold these hands also, but my stats indicate I am way too tight against steal type raises and these weak Axo hands seem OK EV-wise statistically heads up or 3 way. So I am trying them a little. The isolation attempt was against a very weak and loose player.

Vote4Pedro 12-22-2005 01:45 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
Fold PF...Why bet the flop?

mojobluesman 12-22-2005 01:48 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
Last one. Again no real read.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

12-22-2005 02:05 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
hand 1 - don't defend with that crap

hand 2 - not a blind stealing situation, but without a read on BB, call this down

mojobluesman 12-22-2005 02:20 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
[ QUOTE ]
hand 1 - don't defend with that crap

hand 2 - not a blind stealing situation, but without a read on BB, call this down

[/ QUOTE ]

The EV stats for A3o against 2 other opponents is not that bad, but I can see folding it. Heads up though, it's practically a re-raise right?

deception5 12-22-2005 04:24 PM

Re: 2 Bind Defending Hands
 
I think hand 1 is good. A3 is too strong to fold to a steal raise but that flop is just lousy and the turn is even worse.

Hand 2 - just complete preflop. A raise forces the BB out pretty much never so all you do is tie the three of you to the pot postflop. Your hand is pretty good but you have the worst position. Complete and then lead out on a good flop or cut your losses on a bad one.


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