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I recently was able to find out quite a few things, but my time is pretty limited, so I will try to post a list later of what I know.

Right now, I have something that is important to all affiliates.
I am not stating reasons, or going to explain why - I am just going to say what needs to be done. I just don't have time to write a book and spell it out. If anyone doesn't believe me, that's ok. For those that know me, please just do as I say! The upside potential is huge.

Now is the time to concentrate on moving players back to Party. Not for trying to pick up a player here and there. Worry about that later.

Please STOP talking about Party rakeback in here, ok?
There IS NO rakeback at Party! Now or ever! Believe me - Rakeback at Party will never happen!

Party has made some agressive bold moves this past week and we all MUST support them!
Let them set up their player reward plan. Let them work on the things they are doing.

This is a public company and public perception is important. Because of changes they
made, many more people than usual are monitoring newsgroups and it is VERY important to not post sanything that will hurt what they are trying to do.

If you have any kind of incentive offers for your players, just tell them, but please - not in here.

If everone could just post about cracked Aces or bad beats for awhile, things will go much better, believe me.
There will come a time soon when everyone will know how we can tell our players we want to reward them for their loyalty.

One last thing. It really is important that you all take down any references to rakeback at Party on your websites - remove all banners, etc. So you might not get a player or two - big deal. Small loss conceriding what will be gained.

I will try to post later about some things I have heard.

Thanks

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I lost with 2 flushes today. You believe that? I was not dealt aces so Ill let others comment on that.

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Hey Dikshit, nice of you to post.

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It is the cloak+dagger posts like these that cause most of the rumours.

If you know something, say it. If you don't then don't say it.

Lori

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It is the cloak+dagger posts like these that cause most of the rumours.

If you know something, say it. If you don't then don't say it.

Lori

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His message was crystal clear.

Things will be much better if everyone listens to what he's saying. This guy knows what he's talking about. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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this is amazing - in the last week twoplustwo has converted from a poker message board to a covert operation run by the CIA...

I almost feel like we should all be wearing tin foil hats and decoder rings...

for the love of God - if you have something to say then say it... if not, don't start another "big brother is watching us thread"

The Party Poker folks barely speak english, are generally behind by about two weeks on their email responses to customer inquiries, and are marginally competent to begin with.

There are no spy satelittes watching us. Their stock trades on the UK market. No one gives a damn about what some online poker players post on a message board. Some of us might have on overblown idea of our general importance in the world.

<end of rant>

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what does all this mean to the players? do i start looking for a new deal? do i close my party account? do i wait five more weeks to see what party does next?

still confused

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I almost feel like we should all be wearing tin foil hats and decoder rings...

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You didnt know everyone is already wearing these and has been since far before the skins were dropped.

How embarrassing for you [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

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Sup Bro? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Party Poker rakeback is rigged.

Enjoy!

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Has anyone here ever been to Gibraltar? I looked it up on google maps last night, It's much smaller than I thought, but seems to be a decent place, but is Spain so bad that one would choose to stay aligned with Great Britain rather than the proximate European neighbor? My 2nd grade class taught me the British were oppressors.

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British were oppressors.


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Say that again, and I'll get you banned! [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Lori

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many more people than usual are monitoring newsgroups

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I thought OOT was wilder these days

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It is the cloak+dagger posts like these that cause most of the rumours.

If you know something, say it. If you don't then don't say it.

Lori

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How could it be any clearer?

Want the unfiltered version?

Affiliates who make threads about they are offering, STFU.

Players who are getting emails from affiliates who they already trust, do what they suggest, be happy and try and be discreet about it.

Spammers from another planet (basically, those of you too cheap to buy a $30 ad spot on RRR) stop making posts about the service you offer, or what your uncle jethro does for his rakeback.

The post was intended for affiliates, and I'm sure most affiliates know by now who Al is.

What horrible timing for this forum to be unveiled (not your fault guys).

~Mike

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Lorinda-

none of that frustration was directed at you btw.

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Lorinda-

none of that frustration was directed at you btw.

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I didn't take it as such.

I do think that if this guy knows a few of you, his aims would be better served via PM to those that he knows, because the spammers are not going to listen to him anyway.

I think it is clear who the good guys and bad guys are around here to anyone who has followed this whole nonsense and anyone who comes to a different or quick conclusion probably deserves what they get.

(FWIW anyone stupid enough to PM _me_ with rakeback offers will probably have a good chance of ending up with what they deserve also. Incredibly so far, nobody has.)

Lori

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PokerAl, exactly how much of PRTY stock do you own? Just curious.

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enjoy

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It is the cloak+dagger posts like these that cause most of the rumours.

If you know something, say it. If you don't then don't say it.

Lori

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How could it be any clearer?

Want the unfiltered version?

Affiliates who make threads about they are offering, STFU.

Players who are getting emails from affiliates who they already trust, do what they suggest, be happy and try and be discreet about it.

Spammers from another planet (basically, those of you too cheap to buy a $30 ad spot on RRR) stop making posts about the service you offer, or what your uncle jethro does for his rakeback.

The post was intended for affiliates, and I'm sure most affiliates know by now who Al is.

What horrible timing for this forum to be unveiled (not your fault guys).

~Mike

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Thanks dude... Earlier, I was trying to be more subtle about all this, but unfortunately "we had to go there".

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Earlier, I was trying to be more subtle about all this

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I may be mistaken, but didn't you start all this with the "PM me" thread?

Lori

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>many more people than usual are monitoring newsgroups

I will try to be clearer in future posts, sorry.
I have heard that PartyPoker is monitoring this newsgroup because they are concerned as to what the response is to their changes. What affiliates and players alike think of their player reward plan, what the buzz is on the skins thing, etc.

When I say PartyPoker, I am sure that one of the owners is not carrying his laptop with him so he can check 2+2 in between meeting with department heads, but it is possible that people there have been told to come in and see what the consensus is.
Knowing that, it really makes sense not to have things in here that will hurt our cause. Party wants their players back - simple as that.

Someone posted - what does this all mean to the player.
This is simple - if you are a player that is with an affiliate, please register under that affiliate once their affiliation with Party is reestablished, since you will have upside potential.

There is no cloak and dagger, nothing sinister - just sensible reasons why we all should just not discuss things until Party has finalized their changes and we know what we can say and how we can say it.

If we know that it annoys them when they see affiliates discuss rakeback, then why do it? Why advertise it if it pisses them off? We need their support and will get it if we give them ours.

And, I will publicly state that if I have a high limit player generating me a lot of income, I'll do what I can to show my appreciation. One thing I cannot do and will not do is give him rakeback - because PartyPoker.com does not allow it.

I do not think I can make this any clearer than that.
If it is not allowed and I cannot give it, there is no reason to discuss it.

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at the least, hoepfully this will stop people from posting their stupid worthless opinions that I couldn't give a [censored] less about

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This all makes far more sense. Thanks.

(FWIW I think Party have ALWAYS monitored these boards carefully, they may have just cared less.)

Lori

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Earlier, I was trying to be more subtle about all this

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I may be mistaken, but didn't you start all this with the "PM me" thread?

Lori

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I don't think I "started all this" but yes, I made an attempt to make any possible dealings more private as opposed to public, and I don't regret it*.

*although it only lasted ~10 minutes lol

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Just to prove Al's point about Party monitoring this board, the fact that Mike O'Malley posts here (or at least in the internet forum) should tell us all that everything here gets back to the top.

At times, it serves as a direct link to the worst offenders of Party's policies. All they have to do is look at this board and it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Tuco.

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but is Spain so bad that one would choose to stay aligned with Great Britain rather than the proximate European neighbor?

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Yes among the million reasons is the massively weakened property rights they would have under Spanish law.

Mack

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but is Spain so bad that one would choose to stay aligned with Great Britain rather than the proximate European neighbor?

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Yes among the million reasons is the massively weakened property rights they would have under Spanish law.

Mack

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ahh...that makes sense. I'm starting to like Gibraltar more. Property rights, one of the many good things the British passed on to the USA.

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And, I will publicly state that if I have a high limit player generating me a lot of income, I'll do what I can to show my appreciation. One thing I cannot do and will not do is give him rakeback - because PartyPoker.com does not allow it.

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Please STOP talking about Party rakeback in here, ok?
There IS NO rakeback at Party! Now or ever! Believe me - Rakeback at Party will never happen!


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have heard that PartyPoker is monitoring this newsgroup because they are concerned as to what the response is to their changes. What affiliates and players alike think of their player reward plan, what the buzz is on the skins thing, etc.


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Hi Al,
Nice to meet you. I'm sure I have before, but just not under your present handle.

If Party Poker is reading this and in fact cares what I think about what they have done, I'm going to tell them here. I will try to be as constructive as possible.

Party's annual report stated that 70% of it's income comes from 10% of it's players. Even if multi tabling 2+2'rs accounted for only 1% of it's customer base, they would still generate a substantial amount of that 70% revenue. This has been discussed ad nauseum and if Dikshit can't do the math to figure it out, he's going to drive his little company into the dirt.

If Party is going to push their "Player Rewards" system to reward those players, than I will be at Pokerstars. The Pokerstars player reward system is much better. So is Ultimate Bet's. What's more, the addition of Casino games at Party is going to take money off the tables faster and make it harder for those high volume players to keep good games going.

For me personally, I am not an affiliate, I am just a guy who likes to play (and win) poker. Just as Party is only looking out for themselves, so am I. I have a real job and make quite a bit of change doing it, and am not quitting any time soon to play 10 tables all day at Party, so the issue I am primarily concerned with involves my time budget. I am inclined to play at the site which will make the best use of my time. If that is clearing a bonus, or finding a soft game, or getting rakeback, or getting enough points somewhere because I think their ball cap would be good to add to my collection, depends on the day and the mood I am in.

One thing is given. My multiple skin accounts with rakeback are not closed. My accounts with other poker rooms (with rakeback) all still exist. I have been hearing things from multiple sources and have kept pretty good tabs on what has been going on. I am not worried about what to do. But know Party Poker has a large mountain to climb if they want my business back. I'm not saying that they can't do it without rakeback. They can. But they need to start working on it NOW. One way is to consider how to compete for my time effectively with much better offerings from the market.

X

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Would everyone be typing the code creator's name so much if it was ,say, Stan instead of Dikshit? Or do you just like to giggle to yourself when you read it?

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actually, i think o'malley said it was spelled diksit

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Dikshit

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ag_Dikshit.jpg

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He is said to "smile a lot when he talks." No [censored]?

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Dikshit

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ag_Dikshit.jpg

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maybe this is what he said...

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(pronounced Dixit)

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thx for the pic of a billionaire tho. i can add it to my scrapbook. right now only YOU were in said scrapbook.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/u/tv.gif

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He is said to "smile a lot when he talks." No [censored]?

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Would that be a "Dikshit eating grin?"

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right now only YOU were in said scrapbook.

hahaha. and what a great pic it is

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I laughed out loud

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Vikrant
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t_Bhargava.jpg

"Ruth Parasol is one of the founders of PartyGaming. A controversial figure, Ms. Parasol refuses to be interviewed." [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Party has made some agressive bold moves this past week and we all MUST support them!

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Yes, now that the kommunist party of the DDR is gone, lots of people are looking for something that they MUST support. Party is a good choice.