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bigredlemon 11-22-2005 08:54 PM

Did I overplay QQ?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($7.85)
BB ($14.55)
UTG ($23.25)
MP ($26.20)
Hero ($26.10)
Button ($32.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $2.25.

Flop: ($6.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($14.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $5</font>, Hero raises All in.

beavens 11-22-2005 08:58 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
this is a tough one.. any reads on the villain?

i think id be pushing the flop with this hand.

11-22-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
I re-raise the flop to see where I am at.

gol4pro 11-22-2005 08:59 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
Pushing the flop is bad... because this is SA/WB.

I'm confused on the turn as well.

Jeez. With no read, I think I min. raise the flop for info and play poker after that.

IbrakeFORrivers 11-22-2005 09:00 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
Well if seems as if you played it like you have no idea nor care about what the other guy may or may not have....

If you're gonna play it like that, go all in after the flop.

Maybe you'll get lucky and they have JJ, 10-10, or A 9...

Your call is weird. What's the read on the other fella?? If he's a LAG, he probably interprets your call as weakness and is trying to bully you off...

It doesn't seem to me as if he has much of a hand... Maybe a set of 9's??

What's the read on the type of player he is?? that will help. if' he's tight, he's got the 9's (it's shorthanded).
If he's a loose donk, he's got underpair, A 9 (suited, maybe even not), AK, AQ, AJ, maybe a flush draw?

If he's loose, shorthanded, i'd be all in after that non-overcarded flop after committing so much pre-flop...

beavens 11-22-2005 09:00 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Pushing the flop is bad... because this is SA/WB.

I'm confused on the turn as well.

Jeez. With no read, I think I min. raise the flop for info and play poker after that.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah.. either ahead or crushed.. just not a fun situation to be in.

MTBlue 11-22-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
I like it. Sure you'll lose but this is a+EV bet.

IbrakeFORrivers 11-22-2005 09:19 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I like it. Sure you'll lose but this is a+EV bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

+EV on the flop... Not really on the turn... (my humble opinion).

Would you agree?

bigredlemon 11-22-2005 09:36 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
for the people who disagrees with my line, what would you rather do?
Push the flop feels the worse since you get the least from what you are ahead of and still loses everything to what you are behind. The only other line I can think of is c/c it down depending on the river bet and what comes, but that seems like an awfully weak way of playing it.

el_grande 11-22-2005 09:39 PM

Re: Did I overplay QQ?
 
Against a tighter player I put in a small raise in on the flop. Against a LAG I call.

You know what.. If villian is decent, I don't think you overplayed it. His turn bet is weak. He made a sizeable flop bet, the board got scarier on the turn and he made a small bet. Unless he has no clue about bet sizes, this bet protects nothing. It's a weak bluff or a downsized bet with a marginal hand. You are going all in with a pot-sized bet. A lot bad calls by draws and weaker pairs call you here.


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