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AcesUp2121 12-05-2005 09:18 PM

$200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
Been playing with Villain for awhile. My read is he isn't good but the deck has been running him over, and he in turn has been running me over, which I can't stand. I have $350 and he way covers.

UTG raises to $8, Villain calls, I call with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 3 way to a flop of:
5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG checks, Villain bets $10, I go to $35, UTG folds, Villain makes it $85, I ?

I feel like this is an easy push with most likely at least 12 outs twice and more if he's going crazy with an overpair, which I doubt. I just hate shoving here and getting instacalled.

tdomeski 12-05-2005 09:22 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
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I just hate shoving here and getting instacalled.

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Just hit dude.

12-05-2005 09:23 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
How aggressive is villian? Would he slowplay a straight here? What about a set?

Could you get villain to fold TT or 88 if you pushed?

Answer these and I can give more advice.

tdomeski 12-05-2005 09:26 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
Why would you want villian to fold 88 or TT to a push?

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c 3d 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Qd 602 60.81 370 37.37 18 1.82 0.617
8s 8h 370 37.37 602 60.81 18 1.82 0.383

One of the main reasons I push would because OP described villian as "bad" meaning he will most likely make a bad call.

AcesUp2121 12-05-2005 09:28 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
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How aggressive is villian? Would he slowplay a straight here? What about a set?

Could you get villain to fold TT or 88 if you pushed?

Answer these and I can give more advice.

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I wouldn't say he's very aggressive at all, he's been making these weak ass lame flop bets all night long whether he was the raiser or called the raise.

As for being able to get villain to fold a smallish overpair here, I think he folds it quite easily, but do we really want him to?

pmuir10 12-05-2005 09:36 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
definitely push. dont worry, just cause you got instacalled this time and missed doesnt mean you made the wrong play.

12-05-2005 09:44 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
Didn't realize you're that much of a favorite vs. 88. Thought it was closer to a coin flip. Even against 55 you have 32% equity.

Push the chips in.

AcesUp2121 12-05-2005 09:55 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
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definitely push. dont worry, just cause you got instacalled this time and missed doesnt mean you made the wrong play.

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I actually just called, turned an ace and he set me in and I donked off to a set of 3s.
I feel sick about this one.

guaranteedBluff 12-05-2005 10:04 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
Would villain make the 3-bet with the likes of 88-JJ? I doubt it. I think a portion of the time he hit his set here, maybe 44 or 66. The fact that he smooth-called PF makes a low PP very likely.

So, I don't think you have much FE.

aggie 12-05-2005 10:04 PM

Re: $200 NL 6max flush draw and overs
 
Yea, you got to get the money in on the flop unless you're sure he would only make that play with a set or a straight (in that case you could call the flop and fold to his push on the turn).....


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