Can you get away from this set?
 

10+1
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: BFELLEGY ( $800 )
Seat 3: gamba29 ( $800 )
Seat 9: aCez_FuLL285 ( $800 )
Seat 10: stackedpack ( $800 )
Seat 8: MajesticWild ( $800 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $800 )
Seat 1: jb999111 ( $800 )
Seat 7: kab1231 ( $800 )
Seat 6: ActURE ( $800 )
Seat 5: Jeanne111 ( $800 )
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Tc Td ]
kab1231 calls [15].
MajesticWild calls [15].
aCez_FuLL285 folds.
stackedpack folds.
jb999111 calls [15].
BFELLEGY folds.
gamba29 calls [15].
Hero calls [15].
Jeanne111 calls [5].
ActURE checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Ts, Jc ]
Jeanne111 checks.
ActURE bets [55].
kab1231 calls [55].
MajesticWild is all-In [785]
jb999111 folds.
gamba29 is all-In [785]

Hero?

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$11? I call very very quickly.

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Hero calls instantly. Yeah, maybe you're up against a flopped straight, in which case you're still going to win about a third of the time. But this could VERY easily be two pair, an OESD, or a flush draw, and if it's any combination of these, you're better than even money to win. Heck, I've seen people call this w/ J3 (it was sooooooted!). Getting over 2:1 on the call, at a $11, this is as easy as it gets.

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First, I think you have to raise that preflop.


The range of hands you could be up against: AA, KK, QQ, flush draw or 2 flush draws, straight draws, unlikely a straight, and unlikely a set of Js. Just based on the pure probability of people moving in with draws in 10+1s, you have to call. You are probably in the lead, and even if the flush hits, you are still like a 25% chance of making a boat.

-MG

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I don't like raising this PF at the 11s. You will get way too many callers and will be lost if overcards hit.

Also, why can't they have a straight? You don't think these guys are limping with Q9? There's a very good chance you're behind here, but odds dictate a call.

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TT is a strong button hand. I think you need to raise preflop to limit the field. That way, you have more of an idea what you are up against. I'm not saying everyone is going to fold, but with a hand like TT, you need to make sure that people don't hit 2 pairs if cards under T come out. If overcards come, you can fold, but you don't want to go broke because someone hit 2-7.

All these callers in a 10+1 are weak. Maybe one is strong, and you can go heads up against him/her. You are just giving too many people the chance of hitting a monster here. Basically, if you don't raise TT, you are playing it the same way you would play 22 to 77, just hope you hit the set, otherwise you concede the hand.

-MG

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mgross:

In a $10+1, a TT early in the tournament truly is only as good as a 22-77 before the flop. At these levels, even the first caller could have a Q9o. If any one of these guys are possibly willing to open-limp in with Q9, they're not gonna fold to a raise unless it's a huge one, and can you justify making a huge raise with TT?

As for calling or folding, this is an easy call. People play insane at this level.

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Results.

Hero instacalls.
Suprisingly, first pusher turns over JJ. Overcaller turns over Ace + OESD.

Re: Can you get away from this set?
 

No, you can never get away from this, good play.

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[ QUOTE ]
First, I think you have to raise that preflop.


The range of hands you could be up against: AA, KK, QQ, flush draw or 2 flush draws, straight draws, unlikely a straight, and unlikely a set of Js. Just based on the pure probability of people moving in with draws in 10+1s, you have to call. You are probably in the lead, and even if the flush hits, you are still like a 25% chance of making a boat.

-MG

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raise preflop with TT???? are you insane!!! i would even limp JJ in level 1 and play it for set value.

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standard 10+1 play. dont beat yerself up. holla

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Raising TT in this spot is not something I would do. I'd just limp and play for set value.

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I wouldn't necessarily raise with soooo many limpers in an $11, but it is certainly not insane.

To the OP: I call in an $11 - too often you will find either or both of them having cards that leave you completely baffled.

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TT is a strong button hand. I think you need to raise preflop to limit the field. That way, you have more of an idea what you are up against. I'm not saying everyone is going to fold, but with a hand like TT, you need to make sure that people don't hit 2 pairs if cards under T come out. If overcards come, you can fold, but you don't want to go broke because someone hit 2-7.

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I agree. With, what, 4 callers in front of you, you've got to raise it to at least T100 on the button. (I realize it wouldn't have kept you alive in these circumstances, with Mr. JJ flopping a set. Just sayin'.)

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Basically, if you don't raise TT, you are playing it the same way you would play 22 to 77, just hope you hit the set, otherwise you concede the hand.

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Raising 88 here = puke. I am in the "limp here with up to JJ at an $11" crowd.

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All you people saying this is a call at the $11s - What level do you fold this at? $55s? $215s? $22s? What?

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I qualified it with $11s because it is an easy call (IMHO) in an $11 where they could have a much wider range of hands.

Only being behind JJ, 79 and 9Q, and certainly getting odds to go up against any draws, even if they are slight favorites, and having redraws on the straights, I think it is probably a call in any STT, but a much tougher call at a higher buyin.

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All you people saying this is a call at the $11s - What level do you fold this at? $55s? $215s? $22s? What?

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Thats an interesting question however it is almost impossible to answer. How often to this many people limp in level 1 of a 55+? Since the answer is rarely to never the rest of the hand plays out entirely differently. Also in a 55+ The only hand that is beating you is JJ as q9 and 79 are very unlikely. So this line is so different in each level because there are so many different variables.

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CALL.