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12-27-2005 03:33 AM

99 flops set, but scary board
 
should i c/c the flop and then c/r turn here?

is my river call a leak? i don't know why i even bother.

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: (9.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.00 BB.

cdxx 12-27-2005 03:46 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
not very much you can do, it's fine, since it's .5/1

i think i'd maybe check-call the river if i saw this on 3/6 or 5/10. any other opinions?

imported_leader 12-27-2005 04:25 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
I would cr the flop. This should give your hand some protection against lone T's, 5's and QJ. That river sucks. I think you got to fold. At least that's what I'd be thinking right before I clicked call [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

12-27-2005 04:28 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
from reading SSHE, it says with draw-heavy boards to wait until the turn as most players are getting the right odds to call on the flop... doesn't that apply here?

is the call a leak? honestly most people do it but it always seems i'm beat.

keikiwai 12-27-2005 04:39 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
How about some reads?

Reason I ask, is that if you put the button on a wide range of hands (since he is the button, and perhaps additional reads) I would re-raise pre-flop. Infact with 99 I will often re-raise preflop against "typical" .5/1 players on the button.

Many people raise the button with a wide range of hands even if they are not first in... I think the pfrr is good eventhough you end up out of position post flop...

what do you think?

I think you have to avoid putting yourself in the situation of the river call by playing more aggressively. C/R flop or RR pf would avoid the situation.

Given the fact that you called preflop. When the flop comes, if you were to check, you would be fairly certain that the button would bet out. Now you c/r and the two UTG and BB are faced with calling 2 cold. So, they probably fold. If they don't, be on the lookout for trouble.

The T is not a happy turn, and the river diamond is not good either, but if you were heads up with the pf raiser things would be looking much better than being against a BB who called down the entire way.

Peter.

Weatherhead03 12-27-2005 04:48 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
C/R that flop almost always..unless you have a read saying that the button doesnt make cont. bets all that much. The river is a bad river but I still am calling hoping to see a lower set or 2 pair.

12-27-2005 04:53 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
what is the point of the flop c/r? their odds will still be good to call.

12-27-2005 04:55 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
no one with any sort of draw will fold that flop for 2 bets at this level.

TomBrooks 12-27-2005 05:35 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
Checkraise the flop. Knock BB and UTG out.

12-27-2005 05:44 AM

Re: 99 flops set, but scary board
 
what if it doesn't? i'm telling you on this board they aren't folding.


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