Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

CO is loose and moderately aggressive. I really hate not raising the river here, I think I was sort of distracted at the moment. What do you guys think about the turn? I was going to fold the river unimproved (I planned to raise an ace, but obviously that fell through).

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

I might be missing something, but that turn raise (I'm assuming for a free showdown) just seems bad. Aggro player is likely firing the river as well the way this hand played out, so let him get to showdown with you cheaply. However, I'm one of the biggest critics of the raise turn/free showdown moves on the board, so see what others say on this.

The way you played it I'd raise the river, but still feel like I'd have to call a 3-bet given the bloated size of this pot and our opponent. The risk of the 3-bet makes it somewhat more likely I just call, but I probably raise/call in the heat of the moment.

Edit: Ironically, I did use a raise turn for free showdown in the 88 hand I posted a little earlier tonight. Not quite the same though since it folded out a 3rd button player and gave me position on the river.

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

I'm with JrJordan on this one, just call him down, he'll keep betting his KJ.

However...I, too, am a critic of the turn-raise-for-free-showdown move...I've nearly eliminated it from my repertoire since I find it rarely if ever folds out better hands and leaves me in situations like this too often.

Surf

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

ummm...i fold the turn if 3bet.

thats why i just call down.

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

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ummm...i fold the turn if 3bet.

thats why i just call down.

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I agree that calling the turn is better than raising, but I think once he 3 bets I have to call because I've made the pot too big to fold. I'm getting 9.75:1, doesn't that seem like enough? If not, what hands do you think he has?

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

if he has any 2, a3, a7, 77 or 33 often enough its a bad call. im tired and lazy at math but it seems he doesnt have to have those hands too often to make calling wrong.

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

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...i just call down...

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Thats the part I agree with and the first thing I wanted to mention. I think raising THIS turn is bad, for reasons Im sure u know...but u cant fold to the 3bet. Pot is pretty big at that point.

Raise river though.

EDIT: Victor, I think his range is a little bit wider than that.

Re: Ace high on a ragged board in position
 

Raise the river and fold to a 3-bet. Villain mostly has 88-KK here.

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Raise the river and fold to a 3-bet. Villain mostly has 88-KK here.

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I would have called the river and felt okay about it if I got 3 bet. Getting 16:1 HU you really fold?

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Raise the river and fold to a 3-bet. Villain mostly has 88-KK here.

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I would have called the river and felt okay about it if I got 3 bet. Getting 16:1 HU you really fold?

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