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...with a 97 percent certainty. Looks to me more like proof of what DS asserted about the mathematical ineptitude of some philosophers.


Math Proves Christ's Resurrection?

It is faith, not proof, that makes Christians believe in Jesus Christ's resurrection, the central tenet of the religion. Until now.

Oxford University professor Richard Swinburne, a leading philosopher of religion, has seemingly done the impossible. Using logic and mathematics, he has created a formula that he says shows a 97 percent certainty that Jesus Christ was resurrected by God the Father, report The Age and Catholic News.

This stunning conclusion was made based on a series of complex calculations grounded in the following logic:

1. The probably of God's existence is one in two. That is, God either exists or doesn't.

2. The probability that God became incarnate, that is embodied in human form, is also one in two.

3. The evidence for God's existence is an argument for the resurrection.

4. The chance of Christ's resurrection not being reported by the gospels has a probability of one in 10.

5. Considering all these factors together, there is a one in 1,000 chance that the resurrection is not true.

"New Testament scholars say the only evidences are witnesses in the four gospels. That's only five percent of the evidence," Swinburne said in a lecture he gave at the Australian Catholic University in Melbourne. "We can't judge the question of the resurrection unless we ask first whether there's reason to suppose there is a God. Secondly, if we have reason to suppose he would become incarnate, and thirdly, if he did, whether he would live the sort of life Jesus did." He says that even Jesus' life is not enough proof. However, the resurrection is "God's signature," which shows "his approval of Jesus' teaching."

The calculations that Swinburne says prove the resurrection are detailed in his book, "The Resurrection of God Incarnate."

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Those numbers are *totally* arbitrary.

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1. The probably of God's existence is one in two. That is, God either exists or doesn't.

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The probability that this die will land on six is one in two. That is, Either it'll land on six, or it won't. Since I'm a nice guy I'll lay you 2:1 on this 1:1 proposition, k? We'll play till I go broke.

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W T F. This guy shouldn't be allowed to be a professor of clock potatoes.

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5. Considering all these factors together, there is a one in 1,000 chance that the resurrection is not true. So therefore there's a 97% chance that christ was resurrected.

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Please tell me that you aren't serious.

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Oh come on. Didn't you see my smirk icon and my opening line?

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Oh come on. Didn't you see my smirk icon and my opening line?

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Get with the edits buddy. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

P.S http://users.ox.ac.uk/~orie0087/RS02.jpg

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What edits?

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I realize you aren't serious, but is this professor serious?
If so.....wow.
I don't know what to say.

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Get with the edits buddy. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I read over your post again and realized there was no way you were taking this guy seriously, so I edited my post.

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5. Considering all these factors together, there is a one in 1,000 chance that the resurrection is not true. So therefore there's a 97% chance that christ was resurrected.

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That's why I changed the title to 99.9%. Apparently 97% is his confidence in the estimate of 99.9%.

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i envy this guy. he is going to sell alot of books to christian idealists who are looking for logical proof of god's existence. the evidence portrayed in this book will fit nicely in with their daily christian pickup lines.

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Awaiting Cyrus's reply. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The probability that this die will land on six is one in two. That is, Either it'll land on six, or it won't. Since I'm a nice guy I'll lay you 2:1 on this 1:1 proposition, k? We'll play till I go broke.

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Much as I hate the thought of defending Swinburne from anything, he did not make that mistake. He has a, no doubt potty, argument to justify god existing more than 50% of the time, its not a deduction from god exists or doesn't. [if memory serves, D'Alembert did makes this error but he was a mathematician [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]]

Has anyone any reason to believe there are mathematical/logical errors in the rest of his argument rather than just some highly dubious assumptions.

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if this is a real proof, i am a professor of quantum mechanics at stanford.

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1. The probably of God's existence is one in two. That is, God either exists or doesn't.

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Yep. As Prof. Mike Caro posited, "In the beginning everything was even money".

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2. The probability that God became incarnate, that is embodied in human form, is also one in two.

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Are there only two forms? I musta missed something. Why couldn't God become incarnate in some other carnal form? Wouldn't a Talking Donkey be much more persuasive than Jesus riding a donkey?

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3. The evidence for God's existence is an argument for the resurrection.

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Not according to the Hebrew Testament! Call BossJJ for details.

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4. The chance of Christ's resurrection not being reported by the gospels has a probability of one in 10.

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So one in ten times a text that's supposed to be born specifically out of the resurrection would NOT mention at all the resurrection ??

Who's putting out those lines? If that was a sports book, it would have closed after one hour, tops.

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5. Considering all these factors together, there is a one in 1,000 chance that the resurrection is not true.

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Can't wait for the arithmetic.

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As a Christian, I believe it is especially important for me to dismiss this garbage. Nuts like this professor do a lot of damage to other Christians, at least in the eyes of non-Christians.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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The Great Swinburne-Sklansky Debate. Each man pulls probabilities about god out of his ass and throws them at the other until one is too buried to breathe.

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The Great Swinburne-Sklansky Debate. Each man pulls probabilities about god out of his ass and throws them at the other until one is too buried to breathe.

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Thats about right. Swinburne's argument uses bayes theorem and some arbitary looking probabilities to show the resurrection is very likely to be true. Sound familiar [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Its depressing that posters who pride themselves on their rationality are so sure that Swinburne's failings are mathematical when a few minutes googleplexing would show them that 'The Age and Catholic News' representation of his argument is highly misleading - probably because they, rather than Swinburne, didn't understand the maths.


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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

chez

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

chez

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Nah, in religon he only achieved a diploma. I assume that alone should raise your estimate above 1% [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

chez

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

chez

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Nah, in religon he only achieved a diploma. I assume that alone should raise your estimate above 1% [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Don't jump the gun here. Failing to get a Relgion PHD is probably worse than getting one.

I want to emphasize probably there.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

chez

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

chez

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Nah, in religon he only achieved a diploma. I assume that alone should raise your estimate above 1% [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

chez

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Don't jump the gun here. Failing to get a Relgion PHD is probably worse than getting one.

I want to emphasize probably there.

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What is up with all these quotes??

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Nah, in religon he only achieved a diploma. I assume that alone should raise your estimate above 1% [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

chez

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Don't jump the gun here. Failing to get a Relgion PHD is probably worse than getting one.

I want to emphasize probably there.

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What is up with all these quotes??

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I dont know

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

chez

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Nah, in religon he only achieved a diploma. I assume that alone should raise your estimate above 1% [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

chez

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Don't jump the gun here. Failing to get a Relgion PHD is probably worse than getting one.

I want to emphasize probably there.

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What is up with all these quotes??

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I dont know

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Me either.

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1. The probably of God's existence is one in two. That is, God either exists or doesn't.

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This is awesome.

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Probability of this guy needing a math degree: 100%.

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Probaility of this guy being able to get a math degree: 1%.

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I trust you guys assign probabilities a bit more objectively when you're playing poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I was really tempted to make it 0%.

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Go on then justify it. After the distress caused to me by defending Swinburne, I deserve a laugh.

chez

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Nonono, you misunderstand. I mean I bumped it to 1% because I couldn't in good concious actually give him a 0% chance.

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Oniono, I didn't expect you to justify 0%, that would be silly. Give us the juice on the 1%.

chez

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He's got a degree in Religion. Q E D.

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Nah, in religon he only achieved a diploma. I assume that alone should raise your estimate above 1% [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

chez

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Don't jump the gun here. Failing to get a Relgion PHD is probably worse than getting one.

I want to emphasize probably there.

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What is up with all these quotes??

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Me either.

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Me neither. Yes, I'm a nit. Then again, I'll use any excuse to quote tons of stuff.

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Don't jump the gun here. Failing to get a Relgion PHD is probably worse than getting one.


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