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lstream 11-20-2005 03:52 PM

Can you believe this? (LC)
 
By the time these hands rolled around, it was clear that villain was trying to re-define the term maniac. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I thought maybe I had sat down at a play money table by accident or something.

7 Card Stud High ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes___calls

4th Street - (6.70 SB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls

5th Street - (9.35 BB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___raises

6th Street - (21.35 BB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls

River - (33.35 BB)

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls

Total pot: (37.35 BB)

Results:
Main Pot: $370.50 | Rake: $3

Hero: [ 9d 9s 3d 6c 9c 5h 5s ] [ a full house, Nines full of fives -- 9d,9s,9c,5h,5s ]

Seat 8: [ 7d Ad Jc 4d 7s 5d 4c ] [ two pairs, sevens and fours -- Ad,7d,7s,4d,4c ]


7 Card Stud High ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes

4th Street - (4.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls

5th Street - (10.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks

6th Street - (10.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River - (13.35 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___raises___calls

Total pot: (21.35 BB)

Results:
Main Pot: $210.50 | Rake: $3

Hero: [ 3h Kh 2h 9h 5s 4c Jh ] [ a flush, king high -- Kh,Jh,9h,3h,2h ]

Seat 8: [ 3d 4h 3c Qh Kc 7d Ac ] [ a pair of threes -- Ac,Kc,Qh,3d,3c ]

greenage 11-20-2005 04:06 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
This is going to skew your stats. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

mscags 11-20-2005 04:25 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
can you say "buddy list"

Roland 11-20-2005 04:48 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
Oh boy. I don’t know what to say.

BeerMoney 11-20-2005 07:16 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 

What do we think of lstreams 4th street play in the 1st hand?

11-20-2005 07:18 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
i don't fully get his 3rd or 4th street play in the first hand.

BeerMoney 11-20-2005 07:30 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
[ QUOTE ]
i don't fully get his 3rd or 4th street play in the first hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

I like 3rd, he gets an opportunity to get heads up with the maniac. Unfortunately the bring in called... no big deal tho.

However, on 4th street, I don't see the bring in folding any hand here. I also don't see the bring in having all that many hands that we can beat. I think the pot is still relatively small, we most likely do not have an edge, and I think following the mantra of "don't call a bet that can't support a raise behind it" would be good advice to heed.

If you want to make a play to knock out the bring in, this has to be done on 5th street.

lstream 11-20-2005 07:41 PM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
At this point seat 8 was completing every single hand. There were two tens in front of me. I knew I was ahead of seat 8, and the bet on third was to take my shot at a heads up pot. I wanted to avoid one of the tens catching on me, and figured I had a shot by making them cold call two bets.

On fourth, the raise was another shot at driving out the BI in case he was sitting there with a pair plus three flush, which I thought was a good possibility. People were playing against the maniac with crap by then, so I figured there was a good chance I was not really up against a four flush.

MRBAA 11-21-2005 11:20 AM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
Although opponents like this are incredibly valuable, I must admit I do still think about the alcohol/drug abuse and/or gambling addiction on the other side of the ether.

Doesn't stop me from putting them on my buddy list, though.

lstream 11-21-2005 11:26 AM

Re: Can you believe this? (LC)
 
I was thinking the same thing about alcohol or even worse. These two hands were just a small sample size of what was happening. I doubt he will be around for much longer. He was a little difficult to sympathize with, because he was taunting other players about THEIR horrible play.


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