22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

Actually, it was 3 of the last 4. Grow a set and push these, Vig? Or muck 'em?

Edit: No one looked you up on those 3.

***** Hand History for Game 3154875244 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:18041162 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Tuesday, December 06, 15:21:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 66817 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: MadMaestro ( $790 )
Seat 6: troutman555 ( $3306 )
Seat 7: Jking4 ( $665 )
Seat 8: IdiotVig ( $1385 )
Seat 9: tornadot69 ( $1854 )
Trny:18041162 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to IdiotVig [ Qs Kd ]
IdiotVig ?

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

Folds, this isn't even close actually.

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

I think this is very close at the 22s because of the spite call danger. I'd flip a mental coin, I guess.

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

if I was in later position I'd push. But utg I'd fold

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

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Folds, this isn't even close actually.

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It's proximity is up for debate but I would fold here most of the time.

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

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I think this is very close at the 22s because of the spite call danger. I'd flip a mental coin, I guess.

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Have you actually done ICM here, at all? It's not close even if they are calling with a tight range. It's a fold!

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

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I think this is very close at the 22s because of the spite call danger. I'd flip a mental coin, I guess.

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Have you actually done ICM here, at all? It's not close even if they are calling with a tight range. It's a fold!

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Oh my god NO! I DIDN'T DO ICM!!! [kills himself]

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I think this is very close at the 22s because of the spite call danger. I'd flip a mental coin, I guess.

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"hmmm. there it goes...here it comes...huh, its heads. was heads push or fold? Oh well, let me try again, there it goes...

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

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Folds, this isn't even close actually.

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Somewhere today I read somebody write he wanted more explanation behind the responses. I think it goes without saying that Tigerite is very well respected in the STTF. I sure respect you.

So, why is this not close?

Personally, I think it's a fold because:

- OP has 9 BBs, no where near desperation
- two villains have much smaller stacks and are getting desparate enough to widen their range
- OP pushed a lot already, eventually a spite call will come and KQs is not killing everybody
- BB is going to call with a lot of hands
- two bigger stacks behind can knock OP out

Re: 22: You\'ve just pushed elevnty-bajillion times
 

Because the calling ranges for the 3 barring BB (who can call with any two and it doesn't bother us, but that's not the point for this case, really) are 3%, 9%, 9%. The CO alone is pretty insane with JJ+,AK+ only. I don't know many $109'ers even who wouldn't call TT or AQ here, let alone a $22er. As for the 9%, that is slightly more likely, but just a tad too close to the bone for me, especially with the pushing that's been going on. Button perhaps I could see folding some of the range, but the SB, knowing BB will be priced in to call a lot, if he puts the OP on any kind of a steal at all will definitely be pushing in with a lot of suited aces and pairs. That absolutely destroys our $EV here.