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Vee Quiva 12-25-2005 10:03 PM

Folding AK preflop right?
 
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18595519) - Sun Dec 25 20:50:53 EST 2005
Table Table 67427 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: duyennghiep (2150)
Seat 5: larryvq (2559)
Seat 6: jordydan (3379)
Seat 9: taboo729 (1912)
larryvq posts small blind (150)
jordydan posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to larryvq [ Kh, As ]
taboo729 raises (1912) to 1912
taboo729 is all-In.
duyennghiep calls (1912)


Both players are practically all in. Blinds are 150-300. 4 left. This is an autofold right?

gumpzilla 12-25-2005 10:09 PM

Re: Folding AK preflop right?
 
Both of them being in, and you covering both of them, suggests to me this is probably a call. You're unlikely to lose to both of them, which is the only way 4th becomes an issue, and stand an excellent chance of being pretty dominating. EDIT:I've done no actual calculations here, and this is a problem crying out for it, so I wouldn't be too surprised if folding were right, either.

Snarf 12-25-2005 10:19 PM

Re: Folding AK preflop right?
 
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Both of them being in, and you covering both of them, suggests to me this is probably a call. You're unlikely to lose to both of them, which is the only way 4th becomes an issue, and stand an excellent chance of being pretty dominating.

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I know little about bubble play, but would call here for the reasons above.

12-25-2005 10:36 PM

Re: Folding AK preflop right?
 
Same. Even if the "calculations" say calling is wrong, which they probably don't, ICM doesn't take into account the huge advantage you would have over the other guy to take 1st if you won this pot. Plus, AK is a nice hand to have against two lower pocket pairs or another ace.

12-25-2005 11:00 PM

Re: Folding AK preflop right?
 
The only way you're in bad shape is vs AA, or if you and one of the others both have AK vs a pair and steal each others' outs. All that being said, this is an autocall for me because you are a huge favorite to win if you take this pot.

Sykes 12-26-2005 12:29 AM

Re: Folding AK preflop right?
 
I think you need to call this.

Even if you lose twice, and the guy who wins is the shorter stack, next hand you're on the button and the 2nd stack (assuming he wins against you) will be in the BB before you.

curtains 12-26-2005 12:31 AM

Re: Folding AK preflop right?
 
Id call, but the key is that you cover both opponents.


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