Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

I apologize if these are excessively standard. I just want a little check-up.

The basic idea is these games are pretty aggro and they'll bet a lot more hands then they will call with on the turn. If the boards were dry I would check/call and block the river, but there is far too good of a chance that I am ahead and the pot is large.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($169.96)
Button ($52.80)
SB ($198.90)
Hero ($212.35)
UTG ($300.66)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, MP calls $10, Button calls $10.

Flop: ($37) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, MP calls $35, Button folds.

Turn: ($107) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $75</font>, Hero bets $165.35 (All-In)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($199.50)
Button ($399.82)
SB ($198)
BB ($113.50)
Hero ($200)
MP ($305.26)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($17) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($49) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $46.55</font>, Hero bets $177 (All-In)

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

Second hand looks better than the first, because the flop is so much more draw heavy and so much less believable that you have anything.

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

xorbie,

Are you check-folding the turn in hand 1 barring a read?

I even have 6 outs against a hand like 77 and even more against some two pair hand (and given the open limp from MP, a set seems unlikely).

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

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Are you check-folding the turn in hand 1 barring a read?


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No, that sounds pretty atrocious. I just don't think I would check raise.

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

check calling leaves over $250 in the pot on the river with effective stacks of $50!

are you advocating a weakish lead/fold to raise line? this is kinda gross given how many outs i may have (12 against something like T9)

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I would probably bet 2/3 pot.

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

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I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

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You sure about that?

Re: Two overpair hands -- two turn c/r all ins
 

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I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

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You sure about that?

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I'm not, but I'm sure I'd hate for the turn to get checked through on this board unless the poker gods have already promised me a river card that makes my play there easy.

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I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

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You sure about that?

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Um.. yes I am.. I'd love to hear an explanation why betting is better than checking.