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orange 12-10-2005 05:44 PM

Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
No reads. I'm constantly having trouble with these TPTK hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($24.50)
Button ($26.12)
SB ($23.53)
BB ($16.45)
UTG ($14.03)
UTG+1 ($12.45)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($20)
MP3 ($8.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1.50, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($4.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, MP1 calls $6.

Turn: ($22.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $5</font> Hero ??.

12-10-2005 05:53 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
Preflop is sublime, obviously. On the flop you came hard, and he didn't leave. When he called, I would put him on the FD, but if you call his turn you need to push, he covers you big time, and you are short stacked either wa/wb. This is a split between folding and pushing for me.

Cambraceres

GrunchCan 12-10-2005 05:53 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
I call. I don't want to re-open the betting, and this hand has some showdown value. I'm going to show this hand down as cheaply as possible, and I'm not going to try to take this pot away from him. If he checks the river, I check behind. If he bets half pot, I call. More than half pot gets in to judgement calls &amp; depends on the opponent.

12-10-2005 06:05 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
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Preflop is sublime, obviously. On the flop you came hard, and he didn't leave. When he called, I would put him on the FD, but if you call his turn you need to push, he covers you big time, and you are short stacked either wa/wb. This is a split between folding and pushing for me.


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No way am I folding to that bet. to me the difference is between calling and pushing. I'm leaning a bit more towards a push

12-10-2005 06:07 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
Your probably right about not folding, but minraises this late raise the hair on the back of my neck. I'm a weak tight one though.

Isura 12-10-2005 07:57 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
Push the turn. This bet is almost always some kind of draw, or weaker pair + draw.

Godfather80 12-10-2005 08:07 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
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Your probably right about not folding, but minraises this late raise the hair on the back of my neck. I'm a weak tight one though.

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Where is the min-raise exactly?



Your stack size dictates a push as calling leaves you with an ~$8 stack on the river, which is going in anyway due to your hand strength and the pot size.

12-10-2005 08:20 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
I would not raise here preflop but I don't mind it.

On the turn half your stack is in the pot, you have a good hand, any better hand is going to get all in against you, and you have a very vulnerable hand. You are pot commited, so go all in.

I would have called preflop to keep the pot small and allow myself to fold if I flop top pair.

GrunchCan 12-10-2005 08:28 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
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Push the turn. This bet is almost always some kind of draw, or weaker pair + draw.

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Are we rooting for a fold?

orange 12-10-2005 08:51 PM

Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)
 
I raise all in. I'm insta-called by AK. I lose. I was thinking maybe I play these TPTK hands too fast/hard. As of late, I've been getting my ass raped.

Am I under the wrong when thinking that TPTK at these stakes is almost always golden?


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