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FoxwoodsFiend 12-22-2005 12:46 PM

FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
Oopponent is 22/9 over 800+ hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 ($1998)
MP1 ($1842)
Hero ($3157)
MP3 ($2242.80)
CO ($370)
Button ($1819)
SB ($2315)
BB ($3011)
UTG ($7949.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $60.

Flop: ($170) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $120</font>, BB calls $120.

Turn: ($410) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $800</font>, <font color="#CC3333"> Hero...?

Rococo 12-22-2005 12:49 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't see how you can find a fold here, given the strong likelihood that Villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x

mustmuck 12-22-2005 12:54 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
Does everybody call the flop with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]? I find myself folding (or raising) here because of the near impossibility of getting paid on a four flush board (esp. OOP).

flawless_victory 12-22-2005 12:58 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't see how you can find a fold here, given the strong likelihood that Villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x

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holyshit, who said anything about folding?

12-22-2005 02:10 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
This looks like the nuts to me, if the BB knows what he's doing. I would think he would put you on A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Ax or A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Kx maybe), but he doesn't look too worried about that since his raise is so small. Just make sure the river is the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and you don't have to worry about it.

thabadguy 12-22-2005 02:13 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
Apparently this hand is not so simple,that a CavMan could do it.

THATWACOKID 12-22-2005 02:45 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
[ QUOTE ]
Apparently this hand is not so simple,that a CavMan could do it.


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lol

nh

yvesaint 12-22-2005 02:49 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
[ QUOTE ]
Apparently this hand is not so simple,that a CavMan could do it.

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CavMan like to comment on many hand, yet manage say so little so well

ononimo 12-22-2005 02:56 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
i'm new to this board so if this line reeks, let me know:

given your preflop raise, do you think the villain put you on a flopped flush? do you think the villain flopped a flush (obviously higher) himself?

given the rarity of either one happening independently, let alone simultaneously, and absent other reads, i'd put the villain on an A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] semi-bluff or a set (77 or 66) that was waiting for a non-heart to hit the turn so I'd smooth-call the turn bet.

if a non-heart hits the river, i'm most likely paying off any bet but folding to a large bet on a 4th heart on the river. if checked to me on the river, i'd think about value betting.

xorbie 12-22-2005 03:53 PM

Re: FLUSH!!!!!!!!!
 
There is about 0% chance villain has a set here unless its A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Ax or he is a [censored] moron. For you guys thinking he has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x, why doesn't he check/raise the flop? Do you really think a TAG type player is calling an MP raise with Axo? Maybe A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Qx or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Kx, which is really the only hand I can put him on that doesn't crush us and even that is drawing pretty live. It obviously depends on how villain plays, but if he's the more straight forward type (and 22/9 leads me to think he might be) I think it's closer to a fold than others are making it seem.


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