Marginal Hand #4 Playing a passive table
 

I expect some good debate early on this one so don't let me down.

This is a typical Party evening lowest limit table filled with bad players who almost never raise preflop and go too far with their hands. No individual reads. What do you do?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ??

Re: Marginal Hand #4 Playing a passive table
 

Fold. It's close though. I'd limp one gappers, but for two gappers I need Q9s or better here. If you can expect it to be 7-handed for one bet you can limp, but I really want position with this hand.

Rob

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"No individual reads."
I stopped reading right there. This situation is only +EV if you can make a move or the players pay you off if you hit. With no reads, the likelihood of either is uncertain. So to me, no reads means no play.

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Fold. It's close though. I'd limp one gappers, but for two gappers I need Q9s or better here. If you can expect it to be 7-handed for one bet you can limp, but I really want position with this hand.
Rob

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I'm a little tighter than this, but not much.

Re: Marginal Hand #4 Playing a passive table
 

Fold. I could be talked into playing this on the button with a bunch of bad limpers already in for one bet, but UTG+1 I am folding this.

Edit: Like Entity, I would limp with Q9s, so I suppose limping with J8s can't be a major leak. I still wouldn't do it though.

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Even bad players get hands, so with that position I would fold, if you get raised that would suck. Also you have to be sure you can get enough limpers to make a call good. Too many people play J10, QJ, etc. so you high card value is not there. If I were on the button after the limpers then I may call.
Calling is not terrible.

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I could be talked into playing this on the button with a bunch of bad limpers already in for one bet,

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It shouldn't take much convincing. I'm playing J7s and Q8s and lots of suited hands there, even if there aren't "lots" of limpers.

Rob

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Fold. It's close though. I'd limp one gappers, but for two gappers I need Q9s or better here. If you can expect it to be 7-handed for one bet you can limp, but I really want position with this hand.

Rob

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I meant to put earlier that the typical flop had 5-6 players and no preflop raise.

Re: Marginal Hand #4 Playing a passive table
 

Ok, here's a question for all the people who fold here (which is everybody I guess lol). Do you limp in with 22 on this table? 33? 44 55? Let me know.

Remember these are bad players. Not some 10/20 game somewhere.

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I meant to put earlier that the typical flop had 5-6 players and no preflop raise.

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based on that info: i'd limp. i think it is an easy hand to get away from if things sour on the flop, but profitable with so many people calling with junk...too loose am i?