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pokerdirty 12-28-2005 10:42 AM

Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
I've played on PokerRoom for the last two years because I have a Mac, and will be downgrading to a PC soon so I can play on some of the bigger, 'fishier' sites.

My question, why are we all so crazy about PartyPoker here? I feel, advertising-wise, FTPs commercials want me to play there more than Partys. PokerStars has had the last 3 WSOP ME champs. PokerRoom allows for Macs, etc etc.

So, why?

pokergrader 12-28-2005 10:53 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Better affiliates

cardcounter0 12-28-2005 11:30 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Are Full Tilt's ads better? If I were a casual player, does the prospect of knocking heads with Phil Ivey or Howard and the rest of the sharks really want to make me play? Party Poker ads show idiots having fun. That sounds more like it.

Besides, Full Tilt is a late entry. Party Poker started big advertising right when the Poker boom started. The other sites at the time actually reduced promotion. Party was at the right place at the right time and made the right move. The rest of the poker world has been playing catch-up ever since.

Another factor is cash in. Party Poker has carried over it's experience with credit card processing from it's old porn business. I have never had a problem depositing with my MasterCard with Party. With other sites, there is now a whole 3rd Party Industry created, Neteller, firepay, epassporte, etc. to try to get your money into these sites.

Some sites have called me on the phone to verify my identity, asked for faxed copies of my DL, passport, utility bills, etc. Think a casual player wants to do all that to spew a few chips at a table?

Cash out. My first online experience was with a crypto site. Wait three weeks for a check to arrive, since that was the only cash out option I had (being a newbie, I didn't have the fancy 3rd party net accounts set up yet, who does?) Pacific Poker? Wait a week and a half for them to process your cash out request.

With Party Poker, 48 hours, bam! the cash is in my bank account. No hassle to set that up with Party. I think people underestimate what the ease of getting money in and out of a site and the casual fish player relationship. No transactions fees with Party, quick, easy, and probably the one thing they don't mess up with too much.

But don't worry. Party poker has buggy software with errors that have not been fixed for years. Every aspect of their upgrades and timing is a cluster. Their customer support is legendary for being clueless and non-responsive. It is rare for them to offer a promotion without messing the whole thing up. Their promotional point system is a joke (unless you really like beanies). ETC. ETC. ETC. ENJOY! ENJOY!

In short, they are doing everything possible to screw up their number #1 position. I think eventually their greed and general lack of customer service or care will be their undoing. They will probably make a good future MBA case study of how to destroy your lucky #1 position and fade away.

istewart 12-28-2005 11:53 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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PokerRoom allows for Macs

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lol

kenberman 12-28-2005 11:54 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
network effect.

Party Poker was a huge early advertiser in the WPT, and their 1st million dollar tournament was a huge success. this helped them build a gigantic player base, which in turn gave them money to continue WPT/WSOP advertising.

this large player base of fishy players made the site more attractive for pro's/semi-pros.

pokerdirty 12-28-2005 12:05 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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PokerRoom allows for Macs

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lol

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While I realize this is funny, I was trying to get more sites out there [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

12-28-2005 12:19 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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Party Poker ads show idiots having fun. That sounds more like it.


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plus everything else that's been said.

pokerdirty 12-28-2005 12:23 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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Party Poker ads show idiots having fun. That sounds more like it.


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plus everything else that's been said.

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Dude, FTP has the ads with the guy bluffing the best with 72, and the other one with his shirt off rubbing chips on himself, that looks like fun too.

I feel like Party doesn't show idiots having fun. The one ad that I remember is a guy waiting with his ho, who is trying on some ridiculous clothing, and had something to do with a bad poker face. And their new one looked like it was done if 5 seconds by some HSers, with the shuffling the cards telling what they offer.

12-28-2005 12:26 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
If by downgrading you mean acquiring an infinitely more functional and applicable machine, then yes, you are downgrading.

istewart 12-28-2005 12:32 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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If by downgrading you mean acquiring an infinitely more functional and applicable machine, then yes, you are downgrading.

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Best first post ever.

pokerdirty 12-28-2005 12:44 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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If by downgrading you mean acquiring an infinitely more functional and applicable machine, then yes, you are downgrading.

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i predict *** for you before february. let's not make this about hardware.

12-28-2005 02:08 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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PokerRoom allows for Macs

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lol

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macs have over 5% market share. that's 1 in every 20 people, which is a significant portion of the market. why do you think full tilt and others are developing mac clients?

Victor 12-28-2005 02:23 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
you kids are proly too young to remember that paradise poker used to be the biggest. i think it was getting 20k a night prior to party stealing all the business.

shant 12-28-2005 02:24 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Party easily has the best software. Stars and Absolute are competing for ugliest and clunkiest software.

Mathemagician 12-28-2005 02:46 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Pokerroom has the best looking tables by a wide margin, IMO. Very easy on the eyes.

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lehighguy 12-28-2005 02:54 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
It's easy on the eyes.

lehighguy 12-28-2005 02:55 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Excellent analysis. I also think the fact that the graphics are the easiest on the eyes of all the sites helps too.

nuclear500 12-28-2005 03:23 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site? - MS VirtualPC?
 
If you are that fearful or bias against owning Wintel, why not consider purchasing a copy of Microsoft Virtual PC for the Mac? You'll spend hundreds less and you can keep your Mac as your primary machine.

You'll be able to run Windows XP and bridge or NAT the connection over your Macintosh' network connection?

Seems silly to purchase a whole new PC just to play Poker.

Get Virtual PC for the Mac:

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product...?pid=virtualpc

BigF 12-28-2005 03:29 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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Party easily has the best software. Stars and Absolute are competing for ugliest and clunkiest software.

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I don't understand why so many people dislike Party's software. Yes it has problems. But still it's hands down the best in the business.

PokerStars: Those avatars make my eyes bleed.

PokerRoom: My eyes! My eyes! And I don't like CPU hoggers.

Paradise: You think Party is buggy? How do you like a site where 99% of the time you can't get on an EMPTY waiting list?

Pacific: Do I really need to say anything about this one?

UltimateBet: I always feel like I'm playing in a ghost town (not traffic-wise).

Prima/Crypto: Don't even get me started.

vistaplayer 12-28-2005 03:39 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Marketing, marketing, marketing... Not just the tv commercials but they also have commercials on local am sports talk radio stations whose listeners I would imagine are the prime demographic.

UATrewqaz 12-28-2005 03:42 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Party really needs MAC support bad.

Anyone fishy enough to pay extra for a little apple icon on the side of their PC has $$$ and little common sense!

12-28-2005 04:32 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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Party really needs MAC support bad.

Anyone fishy enough to pay extra for a little apple icon on the side of their PC has $$$ and little common sense!

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LOL I always admired the red opaque see-through monitors from afar...

ZenMusician 12-28-2005 05:38 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
I thought this was just going to be a
generally ignorant thread; instead I
find it specifically ignorant!

Keep telling yourself that your Timex
is better than my Rolex - you Frankenstein
purchasing, security-flawed, archaic
piece of ugly slow WinTel trash user.

-ZEN

12-28-2005 05:41 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Sysadmin for 20 macs = 4 hour a week job.
Sysadmin for 20 pcs = full time job.

Trust me, I used to do both.

snowbank 12-28-2005 05:50 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
They will probably make a good future MBA case study of how to destroy your lucky #1 position and fade away.

UATrewqaz 12-28-2005 06:13 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
I agree completely about Party not deserving the #1 spot at all.

Pokerstars is a billion times better in every regard, with the exception being the look/feel of the software.

However as long as the morons are at Party, that's where I'll be also... does that make me a moron?

Zetack 12-28-2005 06:14 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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They will probably make a good future MBA case study of how to destroy your lucky #1 position and fade away.

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Maybe. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened. And yet, look at microsoft. They've rarely been first in a market, they've rarely been accused of having the best software and yet...somehow they never did fade away.

Historically, its rarely the pioneer in a new market that succeeds long term, its usually the second or third guy. And that pretty much adds up to .. Party.

Damn it.

lapoker17 12-28-2005 06:21 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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macs have over 5% market share. that's 1 in every 20 people, which is a significant portion of the market. why do you think full tilt and others are developing mac clients?

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the demo/psychographics of mac owners do not add up to a large percentage of them playing online poker - or any poker. if you think these sites didn't do research on this, i would imagine you are incorrect. if they are now developing mac compatibility, it is only because they have eliminated most all of the more profitable software improvements for pc.

UATrewqaz 12-28-2005 06:27 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
The difference is Microsoft came up with a product the world became dependent on.

Sometimes when you become dependent on an inferior product you can't switch to a superior one later.

Example: The very keyboard you are typing on. The QWERTY keyboard layout was originally designed to SLOW typing due to the hammers of hte typewriters getting tangled, etc.

The DVORAK keyboard style came out later and was proved to be far superior, however everyone already had learned to type on the QWERTY and all keyboards in the world were already QWERTY.

Windows is kind of like that.

Party Poker is NOT in my opinion. It's what people are "used to" it's what they like, however people can very easily go to a different site in mass.

IndieMatty 12-28-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
I was just about to reccomend you losing your last star for the first worthwhile thread started in general hold em in months, when I realized it was already gone!

The system works!

driller 12-28-2005 07:06 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
For the same reason that the bars are more crowded on ladies night.

SoftcoreRevolt 12-28-2005 08:20 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Party had Mike Sexton, the face of the WPT, and ran a major WPT Tournament. While FTP's ads are better now, FTP has only been in business for a year and a half and is playing catch up. They are doing a great job, but Party was able to market itself best on TV, and combined it with a big affiliate push.

And I agree with the notion that Party's software is really good. The Beta is my favorite platform right now.

SomethingClever 12-28-2005 08:39 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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WinTel

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Christ I hate this term.

You Mac users ever hear of AMD or Linux?

Also, Mac has some OK stuff, but LORD are Mac users pretentious.

lapoker17 12-28-2005 08:47 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
i see full tilt getting credit in this thread for "better" ads. ads are (or should be) judged on their ability to convert viewers to buyers. i doubt anyone here has data on the conversion rates these ads generate. there are many examples of hokey, low-budget, no-celebrity-cameo ads outperforming their much more glamorous counterparts.

If party has succeeded in part because of their campy ads, then their ads are good - or great - regardless of the aesthetics.

and the full tilt ads are just gay - wow, checkout the unattractive badasses walking down the street - so cool!

ZenMusician 12-28-2005 09:57 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
LOL!

I've head of those ones...yeah. I maintain about 5
different operating systems over a very large LAN/WAN.

When your computer can process 76.6 gigaflops under
a true 64-bit architecture, let me know (By then Mac
users will be at 2-3 times that power.)

There is a difference between pretentious and correct.

The PC vs Mac debate is old and has been "settled"
many times over - every year. You lose. Good day, sir.

-ZEN

freehat 12-29-2005 03:31 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Sidebets, duh!

SoCalRugger 12-29-2005 04:51 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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Are Full Tilt's ads better? If I were a casual player, does the prospect of knocking heads with Phil Ivey or Howard and the rest of the sharks really want to make me play? Party Poker ads show idiots having fun. That sounds more like it.

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The few times I've seen Phil Ivey sit down at a small stakes NL table, it fills up instantly and the waiting list is 40-50 people deep.

deaders 12-29-2005 10:32 AM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
I'm picturing you as the comic book guy from the simpsons. Good day, sir.

Isura 12-29-2005 12:32 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
Say what you want about Party, but Full Tilt has some of the worst no-limit and MTT players on earth.

SomethingClever 12-29-2005 12:47 PM

Re: Why is PartyPoker the biggest online poker site?
 
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The PC vs Mac debate is old and has been "settled"
many times over

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Yeah, you're right. I guess I should start paying a ton more for marginally better hardware that doesn't run any of the programs I want it to run.


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