DOOMED....yeah or nay?
 

OK we're playing some 5-5 NLHE, 8 players, stacks fairly deep except for a brand new player who buys in for $200. Everyone else has +$800.

middle position raises to $25, new player in cutoff calls. flop is

A 6 2 rainbow. middle position goes all in for about $600, cutoff calls. MP has AK, CO has AQ. River's a Q.

NOW, the MP player starts steaming about how he got sucked out. I told him he was doomed from the start of the hand, given the fact that the CO player wouldn't lay his hand down either on the flop, turn or river, regardless of how it was going to play out. does this follow?

Basically my point was, there was no way AQ was folding anywhere in that hand....he just simply got sucked out. true?

Re: DOOMED....yeah or nay?
 

This post is retarded.

Re: DOOMED....yeah or nay?
 

I think you are playing badly if it is impossible to lay down top pair.

Re: DOOMED....yeah or nay?
 

well my point was given the fact that the new player only had $200 and he wasn't a very good player, he wasn't about to lay it down. that same player ended up a $2000 winner for the night. bad beat bert!

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i do agree that a lot of people act like bottom set sucking out on top set is a "bad beat" whereas i would just argue it's a cold deck, because bad beat seems to have the implication of a donk move on someones part.

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I agree with Xorbie although in this case the hand is certainly foldable.
If the cutoff would have called off his whole stack with AJ or worse and hit his kicker then that would certainly be a bad beat and I don't see much difference with AQ.