Hidden Outs
 

In TOP, Prof. Slansky states that failing to account for all hidden outs can cause a player to fold a hand that might otherwise be worth playing.

That said, wouldn't one's opponent also have a few hidden outs that increase the value of his hand and decrease your pot equity?

It would seem that taking into account your hidden outs without allowing for your opponent's would cause you to give your hand "props" it doesn't deserve.

Re: Hidden Outs
 

Keep reading.... The section after "Extra Outs" covers this.

Re: Hidden Outs
 

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It would seem that taking into account your hidden outs without allowing for your opponent's would cause you to give your hand "props" it doesn't deserve.

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Refer to "A Simple Technique" on page 40 of Sklansky's "Fighting Fuzzy Thinking in Poker, Gaming & Life." Your question is expertly explained in this essay.

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It would seem that taking into account your hidden outs without allowing for your opponent's would cause you to give your hand "props" it doesn't deserve.

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Refer to "A Simple Technique" on page 40 of Sklansky's "Fighting Fuzzy Thinking in Poker, Gaming & Life." Your question is expertly explained in this essay.

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Or P.108 of SSH

Re: Hidden Outs
 

Sure hidden outs are VERY important. Here is a hand that seemed worthless but I saw hidden outs.

1/2 holdem at the local casino. I was waiting on a tournament.

Bunch of limpers and 1 raiser from the SB. I limped on the CO with As2s. Everyone called

HAND: As 2s
FLOP: 3d 8c Qs

The SB bets out and gets 2 callers. Now there were 15 SB in the pot already and it seems I got absoluate ZERO. Well after taking about 10 seconds to act I figured the SB had KK. I had an ace, there was a queen on the board so it was not likely he had AA or QQ in his hand. He bet immidiate and quick. So that leaves me with 2 backdoors (str8 and flusg) and 1 over. In Poverstove my pot equity is almost 18% for this hand. WOW.

HAND: As 2s
TURN: 3d 8c Qs 5d

SB bet again, the others fold and now its up to me. I am heads up with 16 SB in front of me. I can pretty much count on this guy calling a river bet so 18 SB pot equity for 1 BB. I now have a gut draw and over (7 outs I figure). Plenty of outs.

HAND: As 2s
RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c

SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts. He calls, I win. Before I would have tossed that hand like it was a hot potato. Because I took a second to think I was able to make that play and win money.

Re: Hidden Outs
 

omg, I HOPE winky is kidding...

TT

Re: Hidden Outs
 

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HAND: As 2s
RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c

SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts.

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Yeah, the nuts! Except for any 2/6 or 5/6 hand.

Jimbo

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HAND: As 2s
RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c

SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts.

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Yeah, the nuts! Except for any 2/6 or 6/7 hand .

Jimbo

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FYP

Re: Hidden Outs
 

Be careful when chasing a hand and believing you had the nuts. 67 was the nuts on that hand and if the other player was bluffing on the flop holding 67 he definitely would have bet the turn with an open-ended draw. Then the river would have came and the both of you would have gone back and forth until your stack was gone because you thought your A2 was the nuts.

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HAND: As 2s
RIVER: 3d 8c Qs 5d 4c

SB bets again and I raise seeing I have the nuts.

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Yeah, the nuts! Except for any 2/6 or 6/7 hand .

Jimbo

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FYP

[/ QUOTE ] Oops! Thank you.........

Jimbo