Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP calls, MP+1 calls, 1 fold, cutoff calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.5 SB) J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, MP bets, MP+1 folds, cutoff folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: (3.25 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets, MP folds.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

I lead the flop.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

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I lead the flop.

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Here's my reasoning for not. I've determined my hand to be worth about $2.50 (I'm still thinking about how to determine equity quickly and accurately [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]) If I check and MP bets and you get a caller or two, then your equity jumps above $4 and you raise. If someone in later position bets, you go for the overcalls.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

Why would you think anyone else would bet? This flop is really quite raggy. Everyone may just fold to your bet.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

I would lead the flop and the turn once two have folded on the flop. I think you have a significant chance to pick up the pot in both spots. Plus you have a huge draw on the turn. (flush draw + gutshot + overcard) When the king hits on the river you should continue to bet.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

I was also going to say lead the flop. I would do this mainly because of the combination of how much equity you have (~13 outs) and the fact the flop is so ugly you will probably be able to take the pot down a fair amount of the time.

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I was also going to say lead the flop. I would do this mainly because of the combination of how much equity you have (~13 outs) and the fact the flop is so ugly you will probably be able to take the pot down a fair amount of the time.

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So, in my equity analysis, I fail to take into account fold equity and implied odds if I do hit my hand? This jacks it up a lot here? I'm really trying to learn how to identify the true worth of hands.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

In my earlier days I would usually bet out this flop, what with folding and calling equity and cleaning up outs etc. Nowadays I mix it up. Bet/calling, bet/3-betting, c/calling, c/raising all have their merits and drawbacks depending on the situation. Here, given the way you played it, I think a flop c/r has merit once everyone else folds, followed by a continuation turn bet esp. now that you've picked up a gutshot draw to boot.

Given that you c/called the flop and checked the turn, the river bet is quite easy, although you may also consider inducing a bluff depending on reads.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

I lead out on that flop every time and twice on Mondays.

Re: Flush draw and overcard, check and call flop?
 

I bet draws for the already mentioned reasons unless the flop or game texture leads me to believe that there is a significant chance I will get raised if I bet, especially if I think the raise will come from an early position and drop potential callers.

No one has yet mentioned that playing draws aggressively is a good way to keep your opponents from labeling you as weak-tight.