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sirio11 06-23-2005 02:19 PM

Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
Event: WSOP#4 $1500 Limit Holdem

6th level, the 3 players involved have deep stacks.

A is in the BB, B is in MP, C is in the button.

Player B open-raises, Player C calls, player A calls.

Flop: 872, A checks, B checks, C checks.
Turn: 2 A checks, B checks, C checks.
River: 3 A checks, B bets, C thinks and decide to call, A thinks and fold.

Player B: KT
Player C: KQ

dmk 06-23-2005 02:41 PM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
player A needs to bet the flop or turn

odd call by C on the river w/ player A left to act, i know i woudln't be able to make it. i probably wouldn't have bet as B either though, because i'm a limit tourney fish.

bruce 06-23-2005 02:49 PM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
I guess you can never be to careful.

If I am the raiser I will fire a barrel on the flop and perhaps even the turn.

From button's perspective, if he is loose enough to call with KQ BTF on the button there's no way he will fold K high on the river with no previous action. I think this is a good call by him on the river. I don't like how the original raiser played the hand. He open raises with a hand that can
be too easily dominated then he checks the hand the whole way until the river when he makes a futile steal against a loose player.

Bruce

freehat 06-23-2005 03:26 PM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
player b has got to bet the flop

Mammux 06-23-2005 05:49 PM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
Maybe C would expect B to check(-call?) on the river with A-high, while he would bet with K-high? Some players follow that pattern.

-Magnus

WillMagic 06-23-2005 07:43 PM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
B manages to misplay every single postflop street.

C should probably bet the flop.

I need to play the limit hold'em events at the WSOP.

Will

sirio11 06-24-2005 09:03 AM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
The players involved in this hand were

Player B = Christian Van Hees 5th place in this event.

Player C = David Cossio

sirio11 06-24-2005 09:06 AM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Maybe C would expect B to check(-call?) on the river with A-high, while he would bet with K-high? Some players follow that pattern.

-Magnus

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly, the river bet does not make much sense, if he has a little pair or A high, he's not value betting.

sirio11 06-24-2005 09:08 AM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
[ QUOTE ]
B manages to misplay every single postflop street.

C should probably bet the flop.

I need to play the limit hold'em events at the WSOP.

Will

[/ QUOTE ]

If I bet the flop, I was pretty sure Christian was going to raise, so, why give him the chance?

WillMagic 06-24-2005 10:38 AM

Re: Hands from the WSOP (Hand #4)
 
Well, here's the reason:

Christian is announcing major weakness with his flop check. He should really be leading here 100% of the time, and I can only see checking because he thinks you have middle pair (what else is he going to put you on when you coldcall preflop.)

So bet. And what do you really lose by betting here? Your bet has a solid chance to take down the pot by itself, and getting check-raised by christian isn't a disaster either, and I find it EXTREMELY unlikely.

BTW I would not coldcall preflop. If Christian is a loose raiser then three-bet, if not then fold.

You did make an excellent call on the river though.

One final point - you might get much better responses if you posted this in mid-high stakes limit.

Will


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