JJ river fold?
 

villain is unknown

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.00 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (10.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.00 BB.

Re: JJ river fold?
 

ughh, yea. if it didn't possibly complete a draw then no, but that 7 makes a busted flush draw less likely

Re: JJ river fold?
 

i change my mind. i was thinking that pot was 10bb and not 13. I'd have to call.

Re: JJ river fold?
 

given the size of the pot, i'd have to agree with jt1... would be too large for me to fold for the additional 4...

Re: JJ river fold?
 

I'd probably call, mainly because it's so hard to put Villain on a hand.

I'd expect to lose while I was calling though -- to 87s or 77 or a deep slowplay (J9/33 type hands) or 96s or QJ.

Once in awhile you will see pocket 5's or A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], though. Against a 2/4 unknown, I think you'll see a worse hand often enough.

Edit: If the pot were heads-up on the river, I'd like my chances a little better.

Re: JJ river fold?
 

Pot odds justify a call I think

You should consider waiting until the turn to raise. Your equity will change considerably for better or for worse on the turn. Overcards are getting the correct odds to call you, and they'll call you again on the turn with better odds because you probably won't be able to face them with two big bets, as the SB will probably check to you.Wait for safe card and make the CO call two big bets in a 7 1/2 bet pot getting only 3.75 to 1.

Re: JJ river fold?
 

Its hands like this that a read is critical. If the player is not an idiot it's an easy fold. But against an idiot or maniac its a call. You are getting 13:1 that its an idiot or a maniac seeing how you have no read.

Re: JJ river fold?
 

gotta call, you are getting 13-1. his line is really fishy and i wouldnt trust it.