Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

Aight. For those who don't play Pokerstars enough to know, Bigslick789 is one of the "top" players on the site, 2nd or so on the yearly TLB, and kicks a lot of ass overall. I don't know his handle on other sites.

Anyways, this hand came up in the 50 rebuy about a week ago, I've been meaning to post it, but haven't gotten around to it. The 50 rebuy happens every day at around 3:30 pm, and overall its a fairly tough tournament. The shark-donk ratio is kind of high. At one point in the tournament I was at a table with The Shrike, SamENole, and TheBeat, hmm...

Now onto the hand. 150 or so entered, we're down to final two tables, 15 left I think. Top 18 paid, but obviously real cash is up at the top 3. Blinds are 1500/3000, and stacks are pretty deep, and me and slick are the two bigstacks. He is directly to my right and we both have been taking turns stealing quite a bit, with a lot of success. He has about 170,000, I have about 110,000. I have played with him a few times before, and I have a decent idea of how he plays. If he has notes on me, they probably are loose aggressive, or lunatic maybe.

7 handed, its folded to him in the CO, he raises to 9k. I'm on the button and I reraise to 24k with T8o. Blinds insta fold, and Bigslick789 immediatly pushes. I mean, INSTA-pushes. I actually think he's pretty weak, but I obviously can't call. I pretend to think for about 10 seconds, then fold. He shows 87o to the table after I fold.

All the railbirds ooo and ahhh, good times.

Just a good example of showing how to play the big stack, and how a good read on a player can take you far.

So yeah. Bigslick789 kicked my ass.


edit: Hey, MLG, catchy enough title for ya?

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

I have come to believe on pokerstars that making moves in LP w/ medoicre cards sucks. On that site I would much rather raise 76s UTG 9 handed than OTB. Despite the fact you have 6 more hands to deal with you will take the blinds much more often.

Ok, this was really a rant, but people are so aggressive in LP w/ stealing and restealing that I have come to believe it is better to raise w/ good cards for value and not to steal on Pokerstars.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

whats ur reraising range here? What is your calling range here?

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

My reraising range is any 2.

My calling range, is probably AQ, AK, 99+. It might be a little looser though.

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Especially in higher buy in tournaments. They play soooo aggro.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

My guess is that you'd reraise a premium hand to about that much as well, but something in your timing (or the fact that you'd been playing back at him with some regularity) flipped a switch in his alright bright poker mind. In other words you probably raised unusually fast/slow which gave him a read that he took to the barn. On stars, I practice waiting until the 3rd blink of my name before acting. Not necessary against weaker opposition but you want guys like him to believe that you could have QQ here. The fact that he INSTA pushed indicates that he had a read of some kind.

Everett

Edit: It also likely has to do with him being in an *obvious* steal spot and you being in an *obvious* resteal spot. He expects you to resteal here a lot more than other positions. So be careful as your credibility is lower here.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

that's some nice poker.

i think to generalize and say that stealing in LP has little merit is wrong, but on Stars, there is no question in my mind that the play at this level is quite good, and thus players are more position-conscious and likely to pull moves like this.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

I was on AIM with bigslick789 during this hand. He didn't explain all of his thinking to me because he was in a number of games, but he knew what was going on... he specifically said he was confident you were on a resteal and if you weren't, you couldn't call with most hands because of your healthy stack going up against a bigger stack.

Are you supernova9? I can't remember the name of who he was going up against, but that rings a bell.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

Yeah, I'm Supernova9. I soon after donked off my chips to some other player.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

I didnt feel like I needed a real hand here to play back because of the following reasons:
1) I had such a huge chip lead over the rest of the table and the tournament (even you, I believe I had around 200k chips)
2) I felt your reraising range was wide because of my loose image during that level of play and because you were stealing blinds a fair amount of the time as well
3) I felt your range of calling hands of my reraise all-in was low because you were 2nd or 3rd in chips at the time and didnt need to gamble with mediocre hands such as AQ, 77, and weaker holdings.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

I think all those are needed to pull this play off. It's just not everybody has the balls to go through with it.

Oh and I'd have called with AQ.

I did have a suspision that you had something marginal, since it was obvious I could be reraising with air. Nevertheless, NH sir.

You should post some more here, I'd love to hear some insight into your tournament game.

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I think all those are needed to pull this play off. It's just not everybody has the balls to go through with it.

Oh and I'd have called with AQ.

I did have a suspision that you had something marginal, since it was obvious I could be reraising with air. Nevertheless, NH sir.

You should post some more here, I'd love to hear some insight into your tournament game.

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I let him know about this post... I plan on spending more time at this forum than I have in the past, so I'll let him know if there is anything relevant that he should stop by for.

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At one point in the tournament I was at a table with The Shrike, SamENole, and TheBeat, hmm...


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Check please!

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

After reading all of this, I'm wondering your motives behind the play you attempted (resteal). I mean you know he's stealting and you are doing the same thing. He has you covered and I don't see how with the read you think he has on you that he would simple fold the hand (Which is what you want).
Also once in while in a situation like this (with position) would you consider a call with a mediocre hand in an attempt to outplay him post-flop ?

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After reading all of this, I'm wondering your motives behind the play you attempted (resteal). I mean you know he's stealting and you are doing the same thing. He has you covered and I don't see how with the read you think he has on you that he would simple fold the hand (Which is what you want).


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You do realize, 99.9% of people fold bigslicks hand when i reraise right? I think it's stupid to be afraid of a rereraise by a player holding 78o.

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Also once in while in a situation like this (with position) would you consider a call with a mediocre hand in an attempt to outplay him post-flop ?

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I try to isolate myself against donkeys, not against one of best online poker players in the world. The only hands I might smooth call with here, are mid pairs, since they play real easy post flop.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

Yeah, well that's the point you don't know that he's re-raising with 78o. But he knew you were trying to resteal with a crappy hand that his play isn't a fold 99.9% of the time. In this case the cards don't even matter.
You said it best : He owned you bad.
You even had a dead on read on him and you didn't consider putting him on a range of hands or consider a call (Which is almost impossible to make but it was the correct play instead of the proper play that you made).
I don't disagree with your play, I disagree with your logic after his all-in play.("My calling range, is probably AQ, AK, 99+. It might be a little looser though")
I think with your read QJ, JT K9 are good enough.

Also, I disagree with the way you play according to your opponent. If he's a donkey you want to see a flop and if he's better than you than you want to stop playing or making moves post-flop. I don't care if I'm sitting at a table with Phil Ivey, Dan Harrington, Gus Hanson to my left and guys like Strassa and Gigabet at the table. Yeah, I'm way overmatch that they might get me to fold the 3rd nuts against 6 high. At least I would of played my game and learned from the beatting I got. Which is the most valuable play in poker. Learning from the beats others put on you.

Sorry if I take the tone, but it's just what I feel like saying. Plus I really don't care for this forum anymore and the only thing I will read is : Play a hand with the masters or a post from strassa.

Have a nice day.

Re: Bigslick789 owned me bad.
 

Thats a pretty horrid analysis. You can't say that calling would have been the right play, no matter what. This is online poker, and its preflop poker, which is about making ranges. Yes I did assign him a range, and T8o isnt beating any of his range, even if i give him.... ANY TWO CARDS IM BEAT.

If i knew he had 78o i still would reraise with T8, I don't give most players credit enough to 3 bet all in with 8 high, and neither should you.

I still don't quite get what the point of your post is, or what you are trying to say.