my first preflop question in a long time...
 

same action nutso game as in the other post.

5 people limp to stella (loose bad player) who raises. 1 cold call sb calls and im in the bb. nobody is going to limp reraise (assume it and im sure its true ehre b/c these people dont limp rr their aces or kings). so im effectively getting 15:1 on the call.

are there ANY hands you fold here?

J2o? 52o? 32o? Q3o? name the hands you FOLD.

Barron

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

All the ones that you have listed and the ones similar to that.

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

Getting that much on my money I would probably call with any two, just to see if I could flop two pair or something big.
I did this once in a 20 game at FW. Everyone limps to me on the button, I call with K4o. Flop two pair turn a boat. Winning the big pot was nice, but sometimes turning over that kind of hand can really loosen a table up.

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

94, 93, 92, 83, 82, 72. Everything else is playable imho for straight draws/flushdraws/two pair potential. I don't want to fold a face card because it might just be worth drawing to a broadway.

a quick note...
 

stella raised...

if tighty mcwhitey raised, how does this effect your range?

J2o and 32o are different. id rather have the 32 than the J2.

Barron

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

I posted a question exactly like this in the ss forum with lots of different varities, but everyone said to fold. I think that it was pure groupthink BS on these forums. I think the only thing worth folding is unsuited low and medium cards with 3+ gaps, maybe some low unsuited connecters should be dropped too because of 2p being counterfitted.

Someone tried to construct an argument that the hands you will hit will be giving reverse implied odds, but I think that was false as well. The hands that you're trying to hit definitely won't be this. You may end in some super marginal situations, but so what? Just because the situation will be uncomfortable doesn't mean it will be an uprofitable spot.

The only thing that makes me think some of my reasoning may be wrong is that everyone at the table must be thinking this as well, and obviously someone has to be taking the worst of it.

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

I fold 27 through 2-k off. I also fold 3-(8-k) 4-(8-K), once you get to 95 i start calling again. I might even fold most of these if they are suited unless the top card is jack or higher. But if you can make a striaght using both cards, you are baiscally in

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

I'd fold hands that are unsuited and completely unconnected. I'm calling everything else.

good luck.
eric

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

i'm folding any hands that are more than 5-gappers! atleast with any 4-gapper or less, you've got some drawing possibilities. I don't fold Ax, either...or Kxs

Re: my first preflop question in a long time...
 

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The only thing that makes me think some of my reasoning may be wrong is that everyone at the table must be thinking this as well, and obviously someone has to be taking the worst of it.


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1. Alot of people arent actively thinkin if a hand is taking the worst of it. They see their hand and think it's pretty. So they play it.

2. The people taking the worst of it are the blinds.