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12-19-2005 07:59 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
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I'd be pushing just about any 2 here.

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I'd be pushing any 2 here. The only exception might be if I had done it 10 times in a row and had 72o. Check that, I'd still push.

12-19-2005 08:00 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
fair enough.

From trying this though there have been many times when maniacs have called (as I said above) with nothing Kx or Ax and had a slightly better kicker than me, or I didnt improve my suited connectors e.t.c leaving me with a lot less chips going into three-way or HU.

I play very low though, and with scandinavians [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] so that may make a difference.

Melchiades 12-19-2005 08:23 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
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Button won't call because two potential knockouts in blinds.

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If I am button here I am calling with a huge range. I have zero FE anyway so will need to win a showdown. Why not use bigstacks FE and try to triple up.

Still a very easy push for hero though.

FlyWf 12-19-2005 08:28 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
Uh, why would you possibly fold this? You can get called, lose, and still have a healthy stack. Getting called with Ax here is not something to tremendously afraid of, certainly not enough to pass up the extreme likelyhood of seeing 3 folds and adding 600 chips.

curtains 12-19-2005 08:39 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
even in a $22 you must push this, your hand is too strong and its the bubble.

xJMPx 12-19-2005 09:24 PM

Comments and Results
 
Thanks for the comments. You guys confirmed that this is an easy push. I’ve just been losing a lot of chip leads lately when AJ/66 most recently call me, and now this one:

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 8 - 4 players (Converter: PGC)

Chip Counts:
Button: 540 Chips
SB: 1880 Chips
BB: 1420 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 4160 Chips</font>

Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Blinds are 200/400

PreFlop
Hero is All-In, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>, <font color="blue">SB folds</font>, BB is All-In

(2 players) FLOP: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 5780 Chips )


(2 players) TURN: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 5780 Chips )


(2 players) RIVER: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 5780 Chips )


Final Pot:5780 Chips

Results below:
UTG shows:Ks2s,two pairs, tens and eights
BB shows:7sAh,two pairs, tens and eights

tigerite 12-19-2005 09:32 PM

Re: Comments and Results
 
BB made an absolutely terrible call.

jonoo 12-19-2005 09:37 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
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even in a $22 you must push this, your hand is too strong and its the bubble.

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what level do you say this becomes -EV? what if heros hand was weaker?

12-19-2005 09:39 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
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even in a $22 you must push this, your hand is too strong and its the bubble.

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what level do you say this becomes -EV? what if heros hand was weaker?

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I think he is saying it becomes more +EV at the higher levels because you are less likely to have some dipwad in the BB calling with A7o.

tigerite 12-19-2005 09:40 PM

Re: ($22): Attempting to own the bubble, worth it at 22s?
 
By the way him calling with A7o didn't even hurt your equity. The beauty about K2s here is their ranges can be absolutely huge and you still profit.

It's not quite "unexploitable" but I can't see the BB calling more than 22+,A2+,K7o+,K2s+,QTo,Q9s+,JTs.. can you?


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