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Do I suck at folding?

Just started my session, 2 different tables.

Absolute Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls, SB folds.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

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Absolute Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

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Absolute Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO raises, Button calls $5 (All-In), SB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (23.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, Hero folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB

Re: Do I suck at folding?

I fold the first hand on the turn.

As much as I hate that 6 on the river, I call the second hand.

Re: Do I suck at folding?

Hands 1 and 3 are clear folds.

Re: Do I suck at folding?

I know you want to hang around on the turn because of the wheel straight in hand 3, but calling two cold is where I give it up.

I realize the pot is friggin huge at that point, but your outs are heavily discounted. The two of hearts is super dirty, and you very well could be dead in the water against 26 or 67.

One is a turn fold in a smallish pot. Two is ok.

Re: Do I suck at folding?

Fold first hand on turn. Check-call 2nd hand on the river to induce a bluff and fold the 3rd hand on the turn.

Re: Do I suck at folding?

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Check-call 2nd hand on the river to induce a bluff

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I disagree strongly.

Re: Do I suck at folding?

Just saying that you disagree is pointless.

I was thinking the same thing about check/calling to induce a bluff.. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Maybe you could explain why you disagree strongly?

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Just saying that you disagree is pointless.

I was thinking the same thing about check/calling to induce a bluff.. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Maybe you could explain why you disagree strongly?

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Well I posting really good advice is -EV but umm it's pretty obvious value bet, why would 1 pair or a worse 2pair (yeh theres not many likely candidates for this) bet here and these hands are much more likely than that someone made a straight. These hands just check through, you get bets from absolutely nothing here, really maybe a totaly goose with Joker & the bridge how to card will bet, but seriously no. This is simple value bet, folding to a raise is pretty easy as well (but I don't do alot I fold river bet 35% I think optimal for me would be closer to 38.5%).

I'm very sure betting this river is correct.

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Just saying that you disagree is pointless.

I was thinking the same thing about check/calling to induce a bluff.. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Maybe you could explain why you disagree strongly?

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Well I posting really good advice is -EV but umm it's pretty obvious value bet, why would 1 pair or a worse 2pair (yeh theres not many likely candidates for this) bet here and these hands are much more likely than that someone made a straight. These hands just check through, you get bets from absolutely nothing here, really maybe a totaly goose with Joker & the bridge how to card will bet, but seriously no. This is simple value bet, folding to a raise is pretty easy as well (but I don't do alot I fold river bet 35% I think optimal for me would be closer to 38.5%).

I'm very sure betting this river is correct.

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2nd hand is a clear value bet. A lot of hands that would call would check behind on this board. My personal feeling was that bet/fold is the correct line -- I'm surprised that so many people don't mind calling on the end, though.

I called down in Hand 1 because I was completely lost as to what this guy could have. (Not a good reason, but thats my defense).