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golfcchs 12-28-2005 05:24 PM

(22) I hate flat calls
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t1285)
CO (t785)
Button (t1320)
SB (t655)
BB (t620)
UTG (t1690)
UTG+1 (t945)
MP1 (t700)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t70.

Flop: (t315) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t225</font>, Button calls t225, BB folds.

Turn: (t765) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets all in t960</font>, Button calls t960.

River: (t1725) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1725

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 8c 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
Button has Tc Ac (full house, tens full of aces).
Outcome: Button wins t1725. </font>

I think this is a big leak in my game. When an opponent just flat calls my flop bet I have no idea where I'm at. On this particular hand the ace was pretty bad card, but it really felt weak to check fold. How do you handle this types of situations?

12-28-2005 05:43 PM

Re: (22) I hate flat calls
 
I think it is a pretty easy check/fold. What exactly did you put your opponent on at the turn that you were beating? You bet strongly enough at the flop that he probably had to call you with at least a T or a flush draw with 2 overs, of which one would very likely be an A. Also, your more than pot-sized all-in looks a little suspect and will only be called by a better hand a large percentage of the time.

jb9 12-28-2005 06:03 PM

Re: (22) I hate flat calls
 
[ QUOTE ]
but it really felt weak to check fold. How do you handle this types of situations?

[/ QUOTE ]

Check fold.

If button didn't have a pair of 8s beat on the flop, what did he call your flop bet with?? An ace, probably.

You played your 8s strong preflop and strong on the flop and button was unimpressed. This should worry you. Button has put in 325 chips. With what? 77? KQ? Probably something better than that...

Don't avoid the correct action because it "feels weak". You can check/fold and still have plenty of chips left. Wait for a better (or more desperate) situation to put all your chips in.


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