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12-23-2005 09:44 PM

Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

No reads, usual crappy party players

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls.

no brainer raise

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

flop comes K rag rag, giving me top pair top kicker. Playing heads up, I'm not worried about the flush draw (I even have redraw to second nut flush). He bets into me, which often signifies strength, and in this case I put him on a a pair of kings - but a worse kicker than mine. I choose to just call and raise him on turn no matter what card comes up. What are your thoughts on this type of play. With a dangerous board I wouldn't do this, but what about a rather ragged board like this?

Turn: (3.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Anyone think I can call the reraise here? I'm most likely beaten but my hand is strong so I decide to call down.

River: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

NobodysFreak 12-23-2005 09:50 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
Flop: Raise this. He's going to call you so we're missing bets here.

Turn: I think we have to call down here now.

Fryguy 12-23-2005 09:56 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
I take this line sometimes. It's good for an extra sb if the person is bluffing. The 3-bet on the turn is very scary though. It's borderline foldable if you know your opponent well enough. Given the case that you don't have any good reads, I just call down. Capping this turn is terrible IMO.

12-23-2005 09:56 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
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Flop: Raise this. He's going to call you so we're missing bets here.

Turn: I think we have to call down here now.

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If I know he is going to call my flop raise, why not raise on the turn to get more bets out of him?

NobodysFreak 12-23-2005 10:07 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
In a blind steal against a crappy party playing calling station, we're sinning to let him hit a low two pair or small flush or something else that is going to make us punch the screen. If he's betting into you, he likes what he sees. Make him pay for his mistakes. He's not folding anything like TP and he'll probably even call us down with middle or bottom pair thinking that we're on a pure bluff.

12-23-2005 10:47 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
Against unsophisticated/crappy players, it's best to just raise the flop.

HouseCalls 12-23-2005 11:43 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
Raise Flop - not to chase him away because crappy players just won't leave - but to collect more bets.
Turn and River - call down

JackThree 12-23-2005 11:46 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
this looks fine ._.

Yerma 12-23-2005 11:53 PM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
Ordinarily I would slowplay right to the river and let him bluff off some chips. When you slowplay right to the river, the other guy often believes he just ran into pocket KK, so you don't even get 3-bet by a 4. Here with the flush draw on board, I'd charge the two double-sized turn bets instead.

If, on the other hand, you've observed that the guy loves the stop and go with top pair, your plan on the flop should be to raise him on both the flop and the turn. I guess poker tracker won't help you with this, you'll actually have to watch the games.

checkmate36 12-24-2005 12:36 AM

Re: Slow playing strong TPTK on flop
 
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Against unsophisticated/crappy players, it's best to just raise the flop.

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I agree.


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