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Allinlife 12-02-2005 02:51 AM

2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
villain 25/7.. a bit on the loose side, called my preflop reraise with KJ and we checked it down on J22 flop after flop bet (i had KJo too) so I guess he know's i'm not "rock tight"

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter

UTG ($1054.50)
MP ($0)
Button ($1477.71)
SB ($4594.67)
Hero ($1392)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $25</font>, SB (poster) calls $20, Hero calls $15.

Flop: ($75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, Button calls $55, SB folds.

Turn: ($185) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $160</font>, Hero calls $80.

River: ($505) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $600</font>, Hero calls $600.

Final Pot: $1705



hand 2
villian 36/12, not much frontations between us yet


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Button ($1303)
Hero ($1402)
BB ($1922.75)
UTG ($1758.25)
MP ($1044.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $35.

Flop: ($100) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, UTG calls $80.

Turn: ($260) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $180</font>, UTG calls $180.

River: ($620) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero bets 300, Villan pushes, Hero calls for 800 more

Final Pot: $2800

AZK 12-02-2005 02:57 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
boooooooooooooooo

1 maybe, 2 king high? don't really like turn play either given villain is not rock tight. If you want him to fold check raise turn in hand 2? same in 1?

yvesaint 12-02-2005 03:08 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
yea, hand 2 is donk, whats to stop him from having A-high flush draw?

FoxwoodsFiend 12-02-2005 03:12 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
If I saw you play Hand 2 the way you did, I'd buddy list you immediately

AZK 12-02-2005 03:12 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
lol

BobboFitos 12-02-2005 03:17 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
[img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

FoxwoodsFiend 12-02-2005 03:19 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
Also, what do you put villain on in hand 1? The minraise then overbet are clearly suspicious and against the right players I make this call but I'm just curious what your read is

PickyTooth 12-02-2005 04:55 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
you're not stu ungar, just fold (hand 2)

cero_z 12-02-2005 05:08 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
Hi AIL,

Hand 1: I really don't think you should be betting the turn, and if you do, I wouldn't bet 80. I would generally check-call when I was relatively certain I wasn't ahead and Villain seemed to concur, and I would check-raise big when there was more doubt. Betting 80 and then not pushing over the top of his raise (which I don't recommend anyway) lets him get exactly as much money in on the turn as he's comfortable with when he has a good one pair hand. The river call is situation/opponent dependent; could be good I guess.

Hand 2 is so god-awful that I suspect you won this one, and that planted some doubt in your mind as to whether this might be OK. It ain't. You don't beat a fair number of his bluffs--wouldn't you be sick to be paying off the busted nut (hehe) diamond draw? And, he doesn't really look like he's bluffing to me. I mean, you bet 180 on the turn to shut out his draws, right? And he called...basically you beat QJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 87 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and it's entirely possible those hands would've raised you on the turn.

Me no likey.

diconoclastx 12-02-2005 08:14 AM

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 
Hand 1: Looks like he has you beat. Maybe TT. If his pfraise is only 7%, there aren't many hands you are ahead of here that he would bluff crazy.

Hand 2: C'mon. You are better than that.


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