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Let go of the flush draw?

Any way to let go of this on the turn? Do I have the odds to call?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

No real reads on anyone.

Re: Let go of the flush draw?

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Any way to let go of this on the turn? Do I have the odds to call?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

No real reads on anyone.

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After the turn it looks like there is a set somewhere (UTG w/TT). Or just two big pairs. Anyways.

On the first turn call, you are getting 11.5:1.
2nd turn call-8.5:1
3rd turn call-21:1

Lets make the assumption that you know the turn will be capped in advance. You pay 4 BB's, for an immediate reward of 18 BB's. 18:4 is 4.5:1. This is enough if you assume you have 9 outs.

Don't forget that you have implied odds, and the turn being capped is a not so common occurence. Usually someone will slow down and the overlay is more than enough.

Re: Let go of the flush draw?

i don't like the flop raise

Re: Let go of the flush draw?

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Lets make the assumption that you know the turn will be capped in advance. You pay 4 BB's, for an immediate reward of 18 BB's. 18:4 is 4.5:1. This is enough if you assume you have 9 outs.

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That is exactly what I was going to say.

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Re: Let go of the flush draw?

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Any way to let go of this on the turn? Do I have the odds to call?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

No real reads on anyone.

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After the turn it looks like there is a set somewhere (UTG w/TT). Or just two big pairs. Anyways.

On the first turn call, you are getting 11.5:1.
2nd turn call-8.5:1
3rd turn call-21:1

Lets make the assumption that you know the turn will be capped in advance. You pay 4 BB's, for an immediate reward of 18 BB's. 18:4 is 4.5:1. This is enough if you assume you have 9 outs.

Don't forget that you have implied odds, and the turn being capped is a not so common occurence. Usually someone will slow down and the overlay is more than enough.

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If there is set out there, he obviously doesn't have 9 clean outs, but nevertheless, there was noplac for a fold inthis hand.

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Any way to let go of this on the turn? Do I have the odds to call?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

No real reads on anyone.

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After the turn it looks like there is a set somewhere (UTG w/TT). Or just two big pairs. Anyways.

On the first turn call, you are getting 11.5:1.
2nd turn call-8.5:1
3rd turn call-21:1

Lets make the assumption that you know the turn will be capped in advance. You pay 4 BB's, for an immediate reward of 18 BB's. 18:4 is 4.5:1. This is enough if you assume you have 9 outs.

Don't forget that you have implied odds, and the turn being capped is a not so common occurence. Usually someone will slow down and the overlay is more than enough.

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If there is set out there, he obviously doesn't have 9 clean outs, but nevertheless, there was noplac for a fold inthis hand.

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My post was too long (so I left this out), but I hoped that everyone could assume that there wouldn't always be a set out there. This means that we have somewhere between 7-9 outs, depending on their range of hands. Still, it's pretty close with implied odds with two aggressive opponents, assuming someone has a set.