AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

Villain is a solid player.

Party 2/4

Preflop: Hero is BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG+1 raises, all fold, Hero calls.

Flop:(4.5 sb) J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (6.25 BB) J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets


Against which type of players do you try this bluff? Is this a clear check/fold or a clear bet/fold on the river or is it very player dependent?

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

Isn't this that Cardplayer hand of the day?

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

He isn't folding this hand. Ever.

Ok, he may fold this if he was on some type of draw, but considering YOU were the one who had the only possible draw, I can't see him having any kind of hand here that he would fold.

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

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He isn't folding this hand. Ever.

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I agree. The way this hand was played I can only see villain holding an overpair or something like AJ. An overpair makes a crying call and a J raises you.

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

Is there any hand you beat that will call you?

Is there any hand that beats you that is folding? Possibly AK, but that's about it.

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

You're not getting him to fold. He likely raised you on the flop because he held AJ or KJs. Pot is not huge. Let it go.

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

Just in case you guys missed this yesterday:

Cardplayer hand

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

In general, weak-lead bluffs suck.

I was playing $10/$20 at Foxwoods about a month ago when a friend of mine in the game made a weak-lead type play like that against a solid, tight, aggressive local player who saw right through it. She said something like "that weak-lead play is the oldest trick in the book. It never works."

In general, it's true. It just doesn't apply enough pressure. I've taken to calling river weak leads very, very liberally because they are so often missed drawing hands.

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

Duh I screwed this up. I meant to post it like I was UTG+1 with AK and ask who calls. Do you guys fold AK here if you were UTG+1?

Re: AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?
 

i guess it depends on what i think villain has on the flop. if i thought a Jack (even a 7), i don't think i'd bet the turn. we (as villain) obviously don't have A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], so i can only guess we're betting the turn because we put someone on a flush draw. in that case no, i don't fold to the river donk.