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pottie 12-29-2005 11:47 AM

$55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Button (t830)
SB (t1075)
BB (t3000)
Hero (t3025)
MP (t2070)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero ?

Kristian 12-29-2005 11:57 AM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
My suggestion: Raise to 600, fold to push from BB. Not sure what to do about push from MP. Pick one and hate it I guess.

Sykes 12-29-2005 12:00 PM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
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My suggestion: Raise to 600, fold to push from BB. Not sure what to do about push from MP. Pick one and hate it I guess.

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The only thing is that if MP does push you have to call it and if BB is a good player, he'll come over the top with alot of hands.

I probably would make the same play though since I don't expect a 55'er to push with alot of hands in BB. So basically to raise/fold is 50/50.

Sciolist 12-29-2005 12:02 PM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
What kind of range would you be pushing with as BB here? I'd be keeping it pretty tight, as he has 2/3 of your stack afterall... Now, if he had more like 1/3 of my stack I'd be doing it with a whole lot more hands. Bad thinking on my part?

12-29-2005 12:06 PM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
I also am missing the beauty of pushing over the top of an MP push (with UTG still to act) from the BB with a wide range of hands. Please explain.

Sykes 12-29-2005 12:08 PM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
I meant that if MP folds, BB could come over the top of you if he suspects that you'll fold a lot of hands.

Kristian 12-29-2005 12:11 PM

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...if BB is a good player, he'll come over the top with alot of hands.


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Yeah, you said it yourself, no reason to expect a good player.

But even at a higher level (he knows I am good, he knows I know he is good), if you also standard raise with QQ+ and AK, Shania should be taken care of, making the standard raise... standard. Right?

tigerite 12-29-2005 12:13 PM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
I'd just raise t550 ish and play some poker.

12-29-2005 12:39 PM

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I'd just raise t550 ish and play some poker.

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I like this line.

I also don't think the BB comes over the top as much as some people think.

Vuron00 12-29-2005 12:43 PM

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I'd just raise t550 ish and play some poker.

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I like this line.

I also don't think the BB comes over the top as much as some people think.

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yvesaint 12-29-2005 12:46 PM

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I'd just raise t550 ish and play some poker.

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pooh74 12-29-2005 12:52 PM

Re: $55 Quick check 1: 88 UTG
 
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Button (t830)
SB (t1075)
BB (t3000)
Hero (t3025)
MP (t2070)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero ?

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BB is not going to come back at you without a real big hand. He will be very wary to put a RR move on you because you are raising from UTG and he SHOULD respect that. I'd raise ~3bbs and call pushes from SB and button, folding to a PF push from the other two. A call from MP is very unlikely and if thats the case, proceed with caution. A call from BB will put you in position which is nice.

Whoever said raise to 550 and play some poker had it right IMO.

RobGW 12-29-2005 12:57 PM

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if BB is a good player, he'll come over the top with alot of hands.

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Where do you come up with these things? You aren't the only one either. I hear this nonsense a lot. A good player would respect the UTG raise. Now if he has reason the expect you'll fold to a RR then maybe. Even then he's risking his stack to an UTG raise. I just dont see it.

pooh74 12-29-2005 01:10 PM

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if BB is a good player, he'll come over the top with alot of hands.

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Where do you come up with these things? You aren't the only one either. I hear this nonsense a lot. A good player would respect the UTG raise. Now if he has reason the expect you'll fold to a RR then maybe. Even then he's risking his stack to an UTG raise. I just dont see it.

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I agree rob...I would say just the opposite.


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