10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

Simple Question

***** Hand History for Game 2537877386 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 15, 01:35:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 51985 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: HERO ( $2767 )
Seat 4: MonsterAGR ( $2886 )
Seat 8: svinto9 ( $10892.25 )
Seat 10: mbiker ( $1529 )
MonsterAGR posts small blind [$10].
svinto9 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 2s As ]
>You have options at Table 54947 (No DP) Table!.
mbiker raises [$65].
HERO calls [$65].
MonsterAGR folds.
svinto9 calls [$45].
>You have options at Table 51981 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 3s, 2d ]
svinto9 checks.
mbiker bets [$150].
HERO calls [$150].
svinto9 calls [$150].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
svinto9 checks.
mbiker bets [$500].
HERO calls [$500].
>You have options at Table 51981 Table!.
svinto9 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
mbiker checks.


Hows my play on the other streets also?
-Jason

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

Yes. If he AK-AJ he would probably bet this river. I bet he has hand like 1010-JJ and is looking for a cheap showdown.

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I think a good player with AK checks that river and hopes to catch a bluff.

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As for me, clear fold preflop.

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Fold pf, fold flop, I raise turn, I check behind river

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

The percentage of players who are bad enough to call you here with a worse hand is very low.

Easy check.

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

folding here pf is weak, I call the flop too, and hate the overcall.

i play this the exact same, and after thinking for a while, i think he has air, or 1010-KK. his turn bet, coupled with the river check is fishy, and doesnt really seem like AK/AQ.

if he had a good ace, why is he checking and hoping to induce a check with a $1600+pot with only 800 left? thats a no brainer push there with AK/AQ.

so bet whatever you think he'll call with a good PP.

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folding here pf is weak, I call the flop too, and hate the overcall.

i play this the exact same, and after thinking for a while, i think he has air, or 1010-KK. his turn bet, coupled with the river check is fishy, and doesnt really seem like AK/AQ.

if he had a good ace, why is he checking and hoping to induce a check with a $1600+pot with only 800 left? thats a no brainer push there with AK/AQ.

so bet whatever you think he'll call with a good PP.

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What are you talking about?Why fold pf here is weak?Can you argument it?It's clear fold pf

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

As for other streets- raise flop to something like 400 and raise turn, check on the river. But I still think that that's clear fold pf

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

I fold preflop but only because raiser only has 80 BB's and I wouldn't be sure that I was going 3-way.

I would raise the turn because you are pretty vulnerable and not a great spot to get tricky. Also, I think calling will slow Villain down if he has TT-KK anyways so you might as well try to extract some value from AK/AQ.

I would check the river simply because the any draws (although unlikely) missed and it would be a spot for AK/AQ to induce a bluff. I don't see many hands you beat calling the river.

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I check this pretty fast. As stated above, I don't see many hands you beat that call you. Overpairs to the flop might call a smallish bet, but by betting small you risk getting blown off your hand. And A-7 thru A-K, which beat you now, are not going to fold at this point.

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As for other streets- raise flop to something like 400 and raise turn, check on the river. But I still think that that's clear fold pf

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why is any of this right? you're saying it repeatedly in this thread but havent given any reasons. hero has position with a suited ace preflop, it's a loose call but totally justifiable depending on the opponent and your ability to outplay him later.
on the flop, he's trying to catch a spade, 2 or a on the turn, why does he want to raise so the pfr can blow him off the chance of winning a huge pot if he backdoors a flush or makes trip 2s?

i dont really hate either calling of raising on the turn here. you probably have a hammerlock on the hand, he's going to fold most of his hands to any turn raise.

i think it's an easy river check, unless he's a complete donk capable of calling you with 9s or something.

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As for other streets- raise flop to something like 400 and raise turn, check on the river. But I still think that that's clear fold pf

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why is any of this right? you're saying it repeatedly in this thread but havent given any reasons. hero has position with a suited ace preflop, it's a loose call but totally justifiable depending on the opponent and your ability to outplay him later.
on the flop, he's trying to catch a spade, 2 or a on the turn, why does he want to raise so the pfr can blow him off the chance of winning a huge pot if he backdoors a flush or makes trip 2s?

i dont really hate either calling of raising on the turn here. you probably have a hammerlock on the hand, he's going to fold most of his hands to any turn raise.

i think it's an easy river check, unless he's a complete donk capable of calling you with 9s or something.

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What flop do you expect to hit with your single ace? Suited dont add much value for his hand. As Harrington wrote at HoH2 Ace with small kicker is something like just Ace without kicker at all.If hero hope that he can outplay his opponent- its very good, but still A2s isn't good hand to call 3bb raise before the flop with such small stakes.And of course any of blinds can put reraise and hero will need to muck his hand. Because the game is 4handed it will be some percentage of time- greater than at full ring, because raises here are more looser.
Ok.At flop call isnt bad and I change my opinion here- hero has position and can call here to see how this hand will develop.
At turn is mandatory raise:
1)If raiser has big Ace he almost alway will call you here.
2)Your hand isnt so strong to slowplay.Any 2,6, or card greater than 10 can ruin your hand.
3)Even if villain has 1010-KK he can call your raise some percentage of time if he couldnt believe that you have real hand.
Clear check at river- 3 destroyed your hand.

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

raise the turn, check the river, delete the game number from the hh.

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It's 4 handed.

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Yes. If he AK-AJ he would probably bet this river. I bet he has hand like 1010-JJ and is looking for a cheap showdown.

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if i had AK-AJ i would not bet this river.

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

Man I feel like if he has KK or JJ there and he is sitting short in this game and is an unknown, there is more than a small chance he calls off at least a $400 bet on the river when he's looking at over 4:1, especially given the fact that there are not a ton of hands with an ace in it that I would call the flop bet with.

-Jason

Re: 10 20 Party Value Bet River?
 

Clearly, he has JJ. That's exactly what he has. He bets out on flop. Gets upset because he doesn't think you have an Ace on the turn. When you call this, he must check and fold river. But you're carrying a hand that cannot bet the river. Therefore, he has JJ. And I folded A8 preflop DOH!

Jared