Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry FeeLevel:5 Blinds(75/150)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: AtlBrvs4Life ( $435 )
Seat 2: Anonymous 2+2er ( $940 )
Seat 3: ditch7 ( $1715 )
Seat 6: blipbloop ( $2290 )
Seat 7: Ozone7777 ( $780 )
Seat 8: CASS32 ( $1260 )
Seat 9: michw ( $580 )
Trny:17470141 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to michw [ 6h 7h ]
CASS32 folds.
michw is all-In [580]
AtlBrvs4Life folds.
anonymous 2+2er is all-In [940]
ditch7 folds.
blipbloop folds.
Ozone7777 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Qc, Kd ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
michw shows [ 6h, 7h ] a pair of sevens.
anonymous 2+2er shows [ Ah, 9c ] high card ace.
anonymous 2+2er wins 360 chips from side pot #1 with high card ace.
michw wins 1385 chips from the main pot with a pair of sevens.

The anonymous 2+2er immediately called me a moron following the hand. Am I really a moron for pushing here? I 4 table the 30+3's and literally make pushes like this all the time when I'm short rather than pay the blinds again. If I don't push here what's my plan? Play my BB regardless? Pay the blinds and leave myself with 350 chips if I don't pick up a hand? I searched the previous hands and there wasn't a better situation to push. Either the pot was already opened when I had decent cards or I'm pushing with a much worse hand than 67s. Pushing w/ 67s here seems automatic to me. If anything, calling off 2/3rd's of my stack w/ A9 seems much worse to me and is a play I rarely make given that stack size.

Ironically, we ended up getting heads up and anonymous 2+2er took it down. The anonymouse 2+2er is a regular on this forum and I respect his opinion. That's why I'm posting this, so I hope he doesn't feel slighted. I'm called a moron on a semi-daily basis by the fish, but wasn't expecting to hear it from a 2+2er that I respect. I was very surprised that he would disagree with this push given how automatic it seemed to me. Do I have a huge leak in my game? He ended up apologizing for the name calling and we discussed the hand for a while following this. However, we never came to an agreement as to who was the real moron on this hand. That's for you to decide.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

he was a moran for calling you.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

He's either saying that cuz he's mad, or to try and get in your head.

Why do you guys still berate others?

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

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The anonymouse 2+2er is a regular on this forum and I respect his opinion.

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Many a 2+2er seem to post better than they play.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

i will say I am a moron for being a jerk to him, something I've been working on. It's less frequent but still happens unfortunately. I do not think my call is bad at all first of all. And with his push I am still working on low stack early position pushes but I think I just push any 2 next hand.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

funny...sgpt says they are equally marginal:

giving you: 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
he calls w/: 55+,ATo+,A9s+ - with A9o being +.4

giving.............(avg: 66+,ATs+,AJo+, loose: 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+)
BB "average"
SB "loose"
Button "loose"
CO "average'
CO+1 "loose'

you push w/: 22+,A4o+,A2s+,K9o+,K2s+,Q8o+,Q4s+,J8o+,J6s+,T8o+,T 6s+,98o,96s+,86s+,76s,65s - with 76o being +.4


glad u guys made nice at the end

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

yeah i felt like an ass and was mad that I would do that to a 2+2er, random person i could care less. But this is why I need to just stop doing it.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

My first instinct: The push was marginal but certainly not bad. He was a moran to call.

after SNGPT: The push was marginal but certainly not bad. It was a good call.

I need to learn to call more.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

I actually wanted to go for 'neither', but there was no option. So I went slightly for michw as I actually think the push is marginally worse than the call.

Re: Party 30+3 - Who\'s the moron?
 

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funny...sgpt says they are equally marginal:

giving you: 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
he calls w/: 55+,ATo+,A9s+ - with A9o being +.4

giving.............(avg: 66+,ATs+,AJo+, loose: 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+)
BB "average"
SB "loose"
Button "loose"
CO "average'
CO+1 "loose'

you push w/: 22+,A4o+,A2s+,K9o+,K2s+,Q8o+,Q4s+,J8o+,J6s+,T8o+,T 6s+,98o,96s+,86s+,76s,65s - with 76o being +.4


glad u guys made nice at the end

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The call is marginal assuming that nobody wakes up with a real hand behind you. IMO this makes the call neutral at best.