Value of freedom
 

is freedom valuable in and of itself, or is it a means to an ends.

I'm fairly sure that the liberterian leaning people here, are entirely confident that more freedom leads to better outcomes, but i'm wondering if it's seen as a means towards greater happiness or resulting in greater happiness in and of itself.

Re: Value of freedom
 

its the end result-

-the freedom to live life however you want, so long as you don't put yourself in a position to seriously ruin someone else's life including your family (some people seem to think that destroying your own life with heroin for instance doesn't destroy your family).

Re: Value of freedom
 

Freedom is valueable in itself. The fact that it leads to better results is secondary.

Re: Value of freedom
 

Freedom is the means by which an individual can seek his or her own ends. It really doesn't do much on its own.

Re: Value of freedom
 

Happiness is subjective. In my opinion, more freedom = more happiness though.

Re: Value of freedom
 

Doesn't it cost a Buck-Oh-Five?

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At least that's what the song says.

Re: Value of freedom
 

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Re: Value of freedom
 

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is freedom valuable in and of itself, or is it a means to an ends.

I'm fairly sure that the liberterian leaning people here, are entirely confident that more freedom leads to better outcomes, but i'm wondering if it's seen as a means towards greater happiness or resulting in greater happiness in and of itself.

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You're not going to meet very many authoritarian-minded people at a gambling forum. Ideally, every place would be like this, with the loony bigot right and the crazy Stalinist left completely irrelevant and the political specturm ranging from anarcho-capitalists and other conservative libertarians to anaarcho-syndicalists and other socialist libertarians.

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...anarcho-capitalists and other conservative libertarians to anaarcho-syndicalists and other socialist libertarians...

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And if you can't find your own personal pigeon hole, speak up.
We'll get one for you. Waiting time is minimal.

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Freedom is the means by which an individual can seek his or her own ends. It really doesn't do much on its own.

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Really? So living in a government mandated house with a government mandated job provides the exact same satisfaction as choosing that exact house and that job and making your own way? I would choose less "ends" if given more freedom in my "means". I'd rather be a free poor man than a rich slave.