PP NL $400 Hand - AA in BB
 

I'd like some opinions on this play.

PP NL $400 and UTG+1 limps, MP makes it 4.5 x BB, everyone folds to me with AA in the BB. We all have around $400. UTG+1 is a terrible player who will limp in from EP with any above average hand and I've seen him limp from EP only to fold to medium sized raises twice this session. If he sees a flop, he is a station and will pay ANY amount to draw, and he is not tricky at all. When he hits hard, he bets hard. If he has any kind of draw he check-calls, and he will even call big bets with just 2 overcards, trying to hit.

MP is a VERY good player. He is definately one of the best NL players on PP at this level, and he knows that I am good too. If I held a hand like AA/KK, he would expect me to re-raise him here most of the time. He is very aggressive, and could have a large range of hands here... anything from AK to any pocket pair 99 or higher, and once in a while he might even make a play like this with 77 or 88, although that is less likely.

I felt as though this was a good time to trap and smooth call. Opinions on this decision? I'm not saying I trap here 100% of the time, but more than usual... say 33% of the time. Any objections?

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He is very aggressive, and could have a large range of hands here... anything from AK to any pocket pair 99 or higher, and once in a while he might even make a play like this with 77 or 88, although that is less likely.

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Seems like quite the LAG.

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just so you know, I THINK (not 100% sure) high stakes is suppose to be 5/10 NL or higher

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Seems like quite the LAG.

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Yes, but a good LAG and faaar from a maniac. He may be on a bit of a rush, but he's making 7.72 PT BB/100 (15.44 BB/100) over the last 16,000+ observed hands I have on him, so that's why I say he is one of the better players at those stakes, even if he is a big LAG at 31/14. Of the hands I've seen him show down in big pots, he always seems to have a hand that could easily have figured to have been the best hand. He will play a good draw hard, but if you shut him out you shut him out... he's not going to move in on you with just a flush draw if you have shown strength and it is theoretically incorrect to do so given the stack sizes and the pot size.

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Anyone who doesn't raise AK, 99+ is a rock. Those who do are just agressive. If he raises 58s sometimes you can maybe call him a preflop LAG.

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Seems like quite the LAG.

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Yes, but a good LAG and faaar from a maniac. He may be on a bit of a rush, but he's making 7.72 PT BB/100 (15.44 BB/100) over the last 16,000+ observed hands I have on him, so that's why I say he is one of the better players at those stakes, even if he is a big LAG at 31/14. Of the hands I've seen him show down in big pots, he always seems to have a hand that could easily have figured to have been the best hand. He will play a good draw hard, but if you shut him out you shut him out... he's not going to move in on you with just a flush draw if you have shown strength and it is theoretically incorrect to do so given the stack sizes and the pot size.

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I was being sarcastic...

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You're right.. sorry. I play both high and medium, and posted this in the wrong forum accidentally.

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He will raise suited connectors preflop too, it's just that he's not going to raise them to 4.5 x BB very often. More like 3 - 3.5 x BB when he does, and if he wasn't in MP but was in LP, his raising standards would drop SIGNIFICANTLY.

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He will raise suited connectors preflop too, it's just that he's not going to raise them to 4.5 x BB very often. More like 3 - 3.5 x BB when he does, and if he wasn't in MP but was in LP, his raising standards would drop SIGNIFICANTLY.

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I think the point was that AK, 99+ is not a "large range of hands".

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I was being sarcastic...

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31/14 is *getting* towards LAG though. Granted he's not a 50/20 or higher, but you don't run into that many 50/20 players or higher online that are good. There are some, but not many.

You were being sarcastic only because his range of hands were 77/88 once in a while, AK and any pocket pair 99+, but that is simply because of the size of his raise and his position. If he made the same raise 2 seats closer to the button, his range of hands would be much larger. If he raised 3.5 x BB in this same seat, that also would be an indication that he could have a much wider range of hands.

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I was being sarcastic...

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31/14 is *getting* towards LAG though. Granted he's not a 50/20 or higher, but you don't run into that many 50/20 players or higher online that are good. There are some, but not many.

You were being sarcastic only because his range of hands were 77/88 once in a while, AK and any pocket pair 99+, but that is simply because of the size of his raise and his position. If he made the same raise 2 seats closer to the button, his range of hands would be much larger. If he raised 3.5 x BB in this same seat, that also would be an indication that he could have a much wider range of hands.

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But you said he could have a large range of hands in this particular situation.

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I think the point was that AK, 99+ is not a "large range of hands".

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If you group a person's raising standards simply by saying "These are the hands they will raise", then that is an INCREDIBLY tight range of hands. If you instead say "What range of holdings will make up 90% of this man's hands when he makes a 4.5 x BB raise from MP with a limper in front of him", then that range is not so tight.

Of course AK and 99+ with 77/88 mixed in now and then don't make up 100% of his holdings in this scenario, but that is pretty much what you can put him on here and probably make up at least 90% of the holdings he could have. Against a good player, you can rarely say "This is what he has 100% of the time here".

But back to my question, as we seem to be getting hung up on things that have absolutely nothing to do with my question: Thoughts on whether or not this is a spot to trap maybe 33% of the time or not?

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But you said he could have a large range of hands in this particular situation.

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A lot of players I play against I can put on even a tighter range of hands in this particular scenario, which is why I said that.

If you don't like me referring to that as a large range of hands for this particular scenario, given his position, given an EP limper, given the size of his raise, then let's say he has a "typical" range of hands, rather than a "large" range of hands. I'm fine with stating the question that way too. Forgive me if I mis-spoke, I was simply wondering if anyone could actually give me some feedback on my actual question regarding whether or not this was a good place to trap once in a while.

I was thinking perhaps 33%, but I'd like other opinions.